FreeHovind - Who is dumber. Creationists or a bag of rocks?

Who is dumber. Creationists or a bag of rocks?

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Submitted By DrWorm on 10/01/24

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I would go with creationists. At least a bag of rocks has the virtue of remaining silent.

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thedude

2 weeks - 32,767v

Posted Jan 24th - 7:06 GMT

DrWorm,

This is almost as low as Ronnie accusing everybody of being pedophiles openly on the forum.

Many creationists have prominent jobs outside of the church, but are not as vocal about it because they don't really care.

I have several fine teachers at my public high school who are creationists, and just don't really care about the raging debate.

I've met several lawyers through family ties and doctors who are creationists, that do their jobs well and better than evolutionists do and vice versa.

This thread is to me junk, just like Ronnies comments long ago.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Jan 24th - 18:47 GMT

Many creationists have prominent jobs outside of the church, but are not as vocal about it because they don't really care.

I have several fine teachers at my public high school who are creationists, and just don't really care about the raging debate."

yes, now note the difference.

these evangelicals DO care about maintianing this "raging" phantom debate.

and it would probably be with these people that drworm has an issue.

people like ronnie, hovind, ken ham, luskin, ben stein and lets not forget the westborrow baptists.

most of us understand that there are more creationists out there who actually do what they should do with their religion; keeping it to themselves.

unfortunately there is also a segment that don't do that, and it is they who we have an issue with.

because their fanasies should not have a position where they interfere with the rest of society.

"This thread is to me junk, just like Ronnies comments long ago.""

and i'' lagree with that.

drworm,

if you can. leave it up to ronnie to provide needless fodder we can laugh at. venting your frustrations here isn't going to do anyone a lot of good.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:23 GMT

Damn dude, well said. First sound logic I heard in a while from here.

But maybe there are afraid of political correctness though too.

DrWorm

9 hours - 756v

Posted Jan 24th - 17:48 GMT

How do you know that you have teachers who are creationists, unless they can't help to to bring their retarded views into the classroom?

thedude

2 weeks - 32,767v

Posted Jan 24th - 18:08 GMT

Have you ever heard of a conversation?

I have conversations with my teachers, and we'll end up on the topic every now and then.

They don't bring their views into the classroom with them at all.

I choose to have conversations with them after class and school.

Remember, Evolution, just like creationism, is a theory, and neither has been proven.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Jan 24th - 18:50 GMT

Remember, Evolution, just like creationism, is a theory, and neither has been proven.""

please thedude.

this has been explained.

please do not even try to compare the position of ToE as a scientific theory with that of the religious, scripturally based "hypothesis" of creationism.

i can actually do science with ToE ( and i do). i cannot with creationism.

also. i would like to remind you that you have the theory of evolution, and the actual observation of biological evolution.

thedude

2 weeks - 32,767v

Posted Jan 24th - 19:02 GMT

Alright, many apologies.

I'm not trying to pick sides at all, but I felt this was a bit extreme, so I felt I had to say something.

Thank you for explaining, I don't know what I was thinking trying to describe Creation as a scientific theory, when it is clearly not because there is no scientific evidence to prove it.

Evolution on the other hand, is a scientific theory.

Again, many apologies for my lapse of words.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:53 GMT

Nope, now I disagree with you. They dressed it up to look that way. Evolution is as unprovable as God. When you look at a piece of evidence.

What you see depends on what you want to see. If you have all Atheists searching, then they'll say it helps their cause no matter what.

That's why we should get creationists funding so they can give their side for people to decide.

We only get filtered data put for as facts that are only assumptions. That's why they have to keep changing what has been debunked. I mean you hear that there are so many missing links, that they are all really missing links, because the change is too slow to see. That's the science they say. When I say there is no proof of missing links, they freak out! call me stupid and say there are too numerous to count so SFTU and stuff like that. But An Atheist comes out one day, and says, hey, "I know why there are no transitionals!" WAIT! Why would a prominamt Atheist say something they supposedly know is true, and throw it in the trash for punctuated equalibrium. Everything is unchanging, then boom, we have many. He gets applauded and not one said he was stupid for saying there are no transition fossils. Conclusion. Evolution is an hypothesis Atheist try to hide as scientific fact.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 8th - 10:25 GMT

"Evolution is as unprovable as God."

no it;s a FACT. and the theory explains it.

again those radiates your ignorance.

i can actually see the microbes evolve on the plates in the lab.

" When you look at a piece of evidence. What you see depends on what you want to see."

fortunately that is NOT how science works.

"If you have all Atheists searching, then they'll say it helps their cause no matter what."

CABAL CABAL!

"That's why we should get creationists funding so they can give their side for people to decide."

and you produced how many papers that passed peer review?

"I mean you hear that there are so many missing links, that they are all really missing links, because the change is too slow to see."

WHALES.

every organism is a transitional between it's parents and it's offspring.

and apart form that, we have a literal mountain of fossils which display evoloutionary history.

"When I say there is no proof of missing links, they freak out!'

riight, because archeopterix was "just a reptile"?

"call me stupid and say there are too numerous to count so SFTU and stuff like that."

either you want to embarres yourself or you should stfu, really.

"But An Atheist comes out one day, and says, hey, "I know why there are no transitionals!" WAIT! Why would a prominamt Atheist say something they supposedly know is true, and throw it in the trash for punctuated equalibrium."

.....and HOW does punctuated equalibrium negate transitional forms?

"Everything is unchanging, then boom, we have many."

it's a combination of the two.

"He gets applauded and not one said he was stupid for saying there are no transition fossils."

fortunately he DI NOT SAY THAT.

"Conclusion. Evolution is an hypothesis Atheist try to hide as scientific fact."

punctuated equalibrium is just what you would expect evolution to work like. since you suddenly cull the population and then provide lots of niches to repopulate and speicate into.

you FAIL at biology.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

2 days - 2,402v

Posted Mar 10th - 22:44 GMT

"Evolution is as unprovable as God. When you look at a piece of evidence. What you see depends on what you want to see."
- The fact that there actually is evidence for evolution makes it a much stronger case than the "god-option" that you advocate. Try me wrong, give us a good old evidence for god.

"If you have all Atheists searching, then they'll say it helps their cause no matter what. "
- You do realize that we can supply you with a list of all christian scientists who through their work have supplied more bits to the great puzzle that is life?

"That's why we should get creationists funding so they can give their side for people to decide. "
- They don't do any research with funding. What do you think is the purpose of ICR? In all their years of existence they haven't made a single scientific paper. Now how the hell are they suppose to show that they're right if they can't even bring any material to a scientific debate?

"We only get filtered data put for as facts that are only assumptions. "
- Why don't you try to actually test it? You could easily replicate an experiment on procaryotic antibiotic resistancy.

"That's why they have to keep changing what has been debunked."
- Care to show us something that's debunked by creation "science"?

"I mean you hear that there are so many missing links, that they are all really missing links, because the change is too slow to see. That's the science they say."
- In fact all fossils are missing links, have you seen a fossil? =)

"Everything is unchanging, then boom, we have many."
- You do get natural selection do you? Cuz you don't seem to get punctuated equilibrium. If there's no pressure for selection it's just hardy-weinberg rules that apply. Random reproduction, genetic drift etc. Nothing that puts pressure on the population to change. How is that so hard to understand?

"He gets applauded and not one said he was stupid for saying there are no transition fossils. Conclusion. Evolution is an hypothesis Atheist try to hide as scientific fact."
- You haven't proven anything by fighting a strawman.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:36 GMT

wow mr false date nickname. You actually have a point here. I would say either one is an Hypothesis though. Theory is more empirical, no?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 8th - 10:17 GMT

"wow mr false date nickname. You actually have a point here. I would say either one is an Hypothesis though. Theory is more empirical, no?"

quote? you really should get into the habit of doing that.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 3,795v

Posted Feb 3rd - 19:47 GMT

Remember, Evolution, just like creationism, is a theory, and neither has been proven.

Evolution is a theory in the strictly-defined sense of a scientific theory. Creationism is only a theory in the colloquial sense, where "theory" is used interchangeably with "supposition" (or, increasingly, as a synonym for "opinion").

They are not equivalent, except in the sense that different defitions of the word "theory" could be applied to both concepts.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:37 GMT

Don't worry about it dude, worm can't help himself. :)

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Jan 24th - 18:52 GMT

"How do you know that you have teachers who are creationists, unless they can't help to to bring their retarded views into the classroom?""

thedude.

i would like to use this statement to clarify to you exactly with what kinds of creationists us "evolutionists" have a problem with.

thedude

2 weeks - 32,767v

Posted Jan 24th - 19:03 GMT

I understand, it's the ones who try to force it on you that we have an issue with.

The ones who are quiet and simply say, "I'm a creationist" without trying to force that on you,

are the good ones. Those are some of my teachers.

Thank you for clearing that up as well.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:28 GMT

Quit with the names child, act like an adult for a change worm.

There are many more creationists than you know. They don't want to be bashed by knowitalls name callers like you. You are being brought down by your philosophy man. wake up and behave like a civilized human being. Even though good and evil can't exist if you are an Atheist. You did learn good and evil from us. So you know you should not be name callin' youngin' Make a good point for a change.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 8th - 10:16 GMT

"Quit with the names child, act like an adult for a change worm."

he's here to troll, don't expect him to do otherwise.

"There are many more creationists than you know."

fortunately their percentages ar extremely low in science.

and some of those do not adhere to your specific form of creatioism.

"They don't want to be bashed by knowitalls name callers like you."

then they shouldn't provoce us like they did in dover.

"wake up and behave like a civilized human being."

because youa re such a shinign example of that?

i ask for dialogue, i get aksed to a fight. your irony knows no bounds.

ACC- (F-19HORNET)

1 hour - 13v

Posted Jan 24th - 17:53 GMT

Thats racist

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Jan 24th - 18:42 GMT

"Thats racist"

actually it's not.

stereotypation and discrimination would be the correct word.

let''s not give ronnie any fodder here.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:55 GMT

Yea, mr wrong date gives enough fodder for everyone.

DrWorm

9 hours - 756v

Posted Jan 31st - 2:51 GMT

And the winner is........

..........bag of rocks.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 8th - 4:59 GMT

see, you guys know that rocks are YOUR cousins, not ours. And if genetics has anything to do with it, you couldn't have gotten much from the rock gene pool. After all you are only a glorified monkey, right? rock cousin. :)

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 8th - 10:26 GMT

"see, you guys know that rocks are YOUR cousins, not ours."

RNA=/= rocks.

"And if genetics has anything to do with it, you couldn't have gotten much from the rock gene pool."

you want to bring up genetics?haha....HAHAHAHA.

genehomology.

moron. way to shoot your foot of.

"after all you are only a glorified monkey"

you sayign we aren't a placental mammal and a primate?

DrWorm

9 hours - 756v

Posted Mar 8th - 15:04 GMT

Do rocks float?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 8th - 21:49 GMT

"Do rocks float?"

[They all float down here. and when you come down here. YOU"LL FLOAT TOO BILLY!]

god i loved that movie.

Mike (mwolf)

14 hours - 516v

Posted Mar 10th - 17:35 GMT

Another Atheist attack. they are accusing me of ad hominem attacks. Now, they are either liars or ignoramuses at best. I will go through each post as I have time and point things out for everyone to see how I am not what they try to accuse me of. But they are!

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 7,615v

Posted Mar 10th - 19:49 GMT

"Another Atheist attack. they are accusing me of ad hominem attacks."

the difference is WE ACTUALLY SUPPLY FOUNDATION FOR THE INSULTS.

you do not. only some phantom conspiracy conjesture.

" Now, they are either liars or ignoramuses at best."

see.

WHERE IS THE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE FOR THAT INSULT?

"But they are!"

right?

you want to demonstrate your expertise on EG genetics? go ahead...have afairly good understandign of the subject..so demonstrate to me you know what you are talkign about when you speak of evolution.

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