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let's see if sci-borg "doctorofscience" doesn't try to hide this.
Submitted By ronnie(l.a.) on 11/02/02
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50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

Some biologists like to say that massive coral reefs represent more than 100,000 years of growth, supposedly nullifying the Bible's account of a world that is only thousands of years old. However, many known factors can affect coral reef growth rates. Now, a 50-year study of Caribbean coral reefs confirms the unpredictability of using such growth as a "clock."

Researchers in the past have assumed that by measuring the rate of growth of a coral reef, as well as the total size of the reef, they can estimate how long it took corals to build it. One big problem with this "natural clock" system is that the growth rate of corals is inconsistent and relies on a host of changing variables.

Coral reef growth rates change with available nutrition, physical weathering, water temperature, light penetration (and therefore sea floor depth or sea level changes), and other factors. Soft corals have soft bodies that do not deposit limestone "homes," but hard corals can leave behind rocky records if subsequent generations continue to add material. So, since hard corals grow very fast in some conditions and very slow in others, there is no reliable rate of growth to apply when estimating the age of hard coral reefs.

One 1972 "largely hypothetical" estimate of coral reef growth rate, based on adding up guesses for those factors affecting reef growth, was 1,000 grams (over two pounds) per square meter (more than 10 square feet) each year. But the authors admitted that "more rapid rates of sea level rise several thousand years ago probably were accompanied by greater net (and gross) production."1

Gene Shinn, now a researcher with the United States Geological Survey, began measuring coral reef growth rates in the Florida Keys back in 1960. He inserted stainless steel rods into live hard corals and took pictures throughout the Caribbean over the years. By comparing photographs taken from then until 2010, Shinn tracked coral reef measurements for 50 years.

He found that starting in the late 1970s, disease diminished the corals and that "unfortunately, coral reef growth and structure continues to deteriorate today."2 Thus, disease is yet another important factor that can alter coral reef growth rates.

Applying Shinn's measured growth rate of zero during the period from around 1980 to 2010, coral reefs would take infinite time to grow—which is to say they should not exist. On the other hand, corals can grow extraordinarily fast in the absence of disease and with slightly warmer water and a gradually subsiding ocean floor to keep the coral near to light.

Drs. John Whitcomb and Henry Morris noted this in 1961, citing a study that found 20 centimeters of coral reef growth in five years. They wrote, "This rate of growth could certainly account for most of the coral reef depths around the world even during the few thousand years since the Deluge."3

Like any process used as a natural clock, one must assume a constant rate for that process through history. But when it comes to using coral reefs as such a clock, their growth rates have proved to be less than reliable and therefore do not challenge the Genesis record of a young world.

References

  1. Chave, K. E., S. V. Smith and K. J. Roy. 1972. Carbonate production by coral reefs. Marine Geology. 12 (2): 123-140.
  2. Corals: A 50-Year Photographic Record of Changes. U. S. Geological Survey online video. Posted on usgs.gov, accessed January 17, 2011.
  3. Morris, H. M. and J. C. Whitcomb. 1961. The Genesis Flood. Phillipsburgh, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, 408.

Image credit: NOAA

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.

Article posted on January 28, 2011.

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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/02 - 2:08 GMT
 
 

if you can't read the above posts it's cuz ben/sci-borg THE FAKE "doctorofscience" has already hacked into it. so i'm posting this to already answer some of there stupid future comments.

Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:

Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?

Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?

notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 

evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/08 - 2:12 GMT
if you can't read the above posts it's cuz ben/sci-borg THE FAKE "doctorofscience" has already hack-censored my intertubes with his l33t hax0r skillz.
 
There, fixed that for you.
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/02 - 7:39 GMT
all i can say is...WOW.
 
so because corals didn't grow because of disease, they grew even FASTER in the past?
 
none of this post is coherent. is has nothing to do with the data acquired by Shinn, it just hinges on Morris's book. morris's flawed book i might add.
 
(growth rates in florida aren't the growth rates of the barrier reef.)
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Posted 2011/02/08 - 23:34 GMT
Wow...Ronnie actually posted material..then responded first to HIS OWN POST with his usual cut an paste description of his own behavior...how....expected...
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/12 - 1:10 GMT
The only thing surprising is that he didn't call them "choral clocks".
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Posted 2011/02/12 - 2:20 GMT
"the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't call them choral." what an idiot.

Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:

Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?

Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?

notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 

evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/15 - 18:54 GMT
"the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't call them choral." what an idiot.
 
For some reason, I'm suddenly thinking of that old saying... you know, the one about how being disdained by fools is the highest possible praise one can receive.
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/16 - 0:19 GMT
Psalms 14 1-3 The fool says in his heart there is no God.
 

Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:

Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?

Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?

notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 

evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/16 - 17:57 GMT
Psalms 14 1-3 The fool says in his heart there is no God.
 
Didn't you get the memo? Your god is dead and none but the ignorant weep; if there be a hell, then there we shall meet.
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Posted 2011/02/16 - 23:18 GMT

psalms: 4: 9-10 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:

Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?

Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?

notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 

evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/21 - 16:36 GMT
psalms: 4: 9-10 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
 
"God split himself into a myriad parts that he might have friends. This may not be true, but it sounds good, and is no sillier than any other theology." -Robert A. Heinlein
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Posted 2011/02/22 - 3:32 GMT

Collossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:

Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?

Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?

notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 

evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/22 - 4:46 GMT
Collossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 
"A religion is sometime a source of happiness, and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong. The great trouble with religion - any religion - is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence." -Robert Heinlein
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/22 - 5:40 GMT

John 3:16. for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son. so that who ever believes in him might not perish but have everlasting life.


Here's a better Reason to Not Debate Ronnie Online:


Because he'll tell you how it is. because when evolution sock puppets keep posting the same stupid comments he'll give them the same answer.


Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?


Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?


notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 


evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"

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Posted 2011/02/22 - 16:00 GMT
John 3:16. for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son. so that who ever believes in him might not perish but have everlasting life.
 
"Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it." -Robert Heinlein
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Posted 2011/02/22 - 19:34 GMT
is it me or do you not like me very much?
 
 

Ben/Sci-borg THE FAKE “doctorofscience” is an evolutionist sock puppet that tells perverted jokes not even caring if kids can read his filth. When confronted by it he switches to another sock puppet. Then he hacks into freehovind software to hide the evidence against him and his foolish world view. Why would anybody debate a snakey sock puppet like that?


Who Will sci-borg (the "FAKE" doctor of science), also known as THE FAKE ronnie(l.a.)(Ronnie)/the FAKE bigdog (spelling it bIgdog)/Geoff Stilus (Stiles) /kevin(pauliexcluded) / the "dude" (FAKE christian evolutionist) / Ben "the rationalist" (accountant) / Ronnie's evil twin (the Attorney)  return as Next?


notice how he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. He doesn’t even care if kids can read his filth. May God forgive him. It shows you the type of mind and person he really is. He's lost all credibility with me. He doesn't care about the truth. he's unaware of the demonic influence over him (from the doctor of lies). 


evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/23 - 2:42 GMT
is it me or do you not like me very much?
 
Don't take it personally, ronnie - I dislike obnoxious twits in general.
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Posted 2011/02/23 - 3:59 GMT
well i still love u in God's way even though you have a terrible hatred for the bible.
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/02/26 - 16:25 GMT
well i still love u in God's way even though you have a terrible hatred for the bible.
 
My, my - how mature and magnanimous of you!
 
 
 
...or, rather, that's how you're hoping people will respond to your painfully-transparent posturing. Yawn, next?
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Re: 50-Year Study Shows Coral 'Clocks' Unreliable (to prove old earth)
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Posted 2011/03/11 - 16:40 GMT
evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them).evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"


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