Obama Says He's a Muslim (video)
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Obama praises Islam and says he's a Muslim
Submitted By ronnie(l.a.) on 10/04/08
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Obama Claims He is a Muslim and the Koran is holy.
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ronnie(l.a.)
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Posted 2010/04/08 - 5:22 GMT
watch this video above and form your own opinion.
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quotemining?
and even IF he where a muslim? so WHAT?
it's the same god ronnie, it's the same god.
or is christianity the only real version of jaweh?
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actually "Allah" was the moon god in ancient time before Islam. I respect Moslems though. i was watching on the 700 hundred club once where moslem man said he was praying to Allah somewhere in the mideast. then he said Jesus' voice told him "no man comes to the father except through the Son." he then became a Christian. check this out on allah and the ancient moon god who's symbol was the crescent moon.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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"check this out on allah and the ancient moon god who's symbol was the crescent moon."'
allah is the god of abraham. read the qu'ran.
"700 hundred club"
the smae show that had someone postulate that haiti was divine punishment for "whorshipping the devil".
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i read the q'ran. i believe that moslems believe in God the father of Abraham, but the name "Allah" was a pagan god. do your history.
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You do know that "Allah" means "God" in arabic? So you could call any god Allah if ur in any arabic land pre-islamic times.
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Do your research ronnie please.
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Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh, Turkish: Allah, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] (
listen), Template:A) is the standard Arabic word for God.[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God".[1][2][3] The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4]
Do your research ronnie please.
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you miss the whole point. yes Allah means "The Deity" and Christian can call God Allah because it just means the deity. its just like we call God Father, Creator, THe Holy One. in the old testament he was called "I AM THAT I AM." or pronounced Yahweh and spelled without any vowels in hebrew (YHWH). but long ago people called the moon god Allah or the deity as well.
The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.
The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.
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"The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era."
and so where many OTHER cults that christianity ripped from.
"Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that
Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was
still the dominant cult"
so? does that mean the allah they whorshipped is the same from the one in the qu'ran?
"As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the
Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was
shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used
Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both
Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names."
and all of this proves what?
muslims whorship the god of abraham, and that doesn't change even if they swapped in a title from something that already carried enough significance in their culture.
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i agree. they worship the Father God. THE DEITY. THE CREATOR. The difference is Jesus said that "no man can go to the Father except by the Son.
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" "no man can go to the Father except by the Son."
and that has to be true because?
or was it just the kind of jezus they liked back in 325?
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no man can go to the Father except by the Son."
"and that has to be true because?"
because of 4 witnesses. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. if 4 witnesses wrote in their diaries that they robbed a store wouldn't that be enough evidence? these witnesses were pesecuted cause of their faith. they heard Jesus say this. the only other thing you can say is that Jesus is a liar.
"and that has to be true because?"
because of 4 witnesses. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. if 4 witnesses wrote in their diaries that they robbed a store wouldn't that be enough evidence? these witnesses were pesecuted cause of their faith. they heard Jesus say this. the only other thing you can say is that Jesus is a liar.
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"if 4 witnesses wrote in their diaries that they robbed a store wouldn't that be enough evidence?"
you need the find the items missing, and in their possetion.
or let me put it another way.
"i have a parrot"
do i now have a parrot?
no.
"these witnesses were pesecuted cause of their faith."
so? they weren't the only sect.
" they heard Jesus say this."
people heard juzus say lots of things, that doesn't mean he actually said them.
"the only other thing you can say is that Jesus is a liar."
or call them liers, or embelishers, or hell, call the people who actually compiled the bible, "politcally motivated".
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What about the other gospels: Thomas, Peter, Judas and Mary.
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if 4 witnesses wrote in their diaries that they robbed a store wouldn't
that be enough evidence?
I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that theft has a statute of limitations somewhat less than 2,000 years. That, and you generally can't prosecute people unless they're still alive.
these witnesses were pesecuted cause of their faith. they heard Jesus
say this. the only other thing you can say is that Jesus is a liar.
HUUUUUUGE false-dichotomy, there are many other possiblities. For starters, it hasn't been established with any historical certainty that Jesus ever even existed (not exactly a minor detail).
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you miss the whole point.
And that point would be?
in the old testament he was called "I AM THAT I AM."
I thought that was Popeye the sailor man...
The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in
the Christian era.
And...? How is that significantly different from the Christian god?
"It has traditionally been believed that monotheism was part of Israel's original covenant with Yahweh on Mount Sinai, and the idolatry criticized by the prophets was due to Israel's backsliding.[150] But during the 20th century it became increasingly recognised that the Bible's presentation raises a number of questions: Why do the Ten Commandments declare that there should be no other gods "before Me" (Yahweh), if there are no other gods at all? Why do the Israelites sing at the crossing of the Red Sea that "there is no god like you, O Yahweh",[Ex 15:11] implying that other gods exist? These observations eventually overthrew the belief that Israel had always worshipped no other god but Yahweh.[151]
Israelite gods other than Yahweh in fact appear frequently, both in the bible and the archaeological record. Respectful references to the goddess Asherah or her symbol, for example, as part of the worship of Yahweh, are found in the eighth century inscriptions from Kuntillet 'Ajrud and Khirbet el-Qom, and the gods Resheph and Deber appear without criticism in Habakkuk 3:5 as part of the military retinue of Yahweh. Similarly, the "hosts of heaven" are mentioned without criticism in 1_Kings 22:19 and Zephaniah 1:5, and the god El is continually identified with Yahweh.[152]
Israel inherited polytheism from late first-millennium Canaan, and Canaanite religion in turn had its roots in the religion of second-millennium Ugarit.[153] In the 2nd millennium, polytheism was expressed through the concepts of the divine council and the divine family, a single entity with four levels: the chief god and his wife (El and Asherah); the seventy divine children or "stars of El" (including Baal, Astarte, Anat, probably Resheph, as well as the sun-goddess Shapshu and the moon-god Yerak); the head helper of the divine household, Kothar wa-Hasis; and the servants of the divine household, including the messenger-gods who would later appear as the "angels" of the Hebrew bible.[154]
In the earliest stage Yahweh was one of the seventy children of El, each
of whom was the patron deity of one of the seventy nations. This is
illustrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint texts of Deuteronomy
32:8-9, in which El, as the head of the divine assembly, gives member of
the divine family a nation of his own, "according to the number of the
divine sons": Israel is the portion of Yahweh.[155]
The later Masoretic text, evidently
uncomfortable with the polytheism expressed by the phrase, altered it
to "according to the number of the children of Israel"[156]"
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do your history.
Is that anything like doing science? And, more importantly, will there be cake?
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actually "Allah" was the moon god in ancient time before Islam.
And....?
Hate to break it to you, ronnie, but Yahweh (pre-Judaism) was originally worshipped as just one member of a polytheistic pantheon that included several other gods (Baal, Asherah, El, etc).
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Gotta love that legal disclaimer:
"The writers, producers, editors, and publishers of this video are not sating, claiming, or implying that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim, or that Obama himself claimed or admitted to being a Muslim. Rather the writers, producers, editors, and publisehers of this video are only examining the evidence surrounding the rumor that Barack Hussein Obama might be a secret Muslim."
In other words, they're willing to make the claim - but not to stand by it. Call me crazy, but those don't really seem like the words of people who who have any confidence in their statements.
And, of course, trying to present "being a Muslim" as something scandalous is a clear demonstration of bigotry/prejudice against Muslims.
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"I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that theft has a statute of limitations somewhat less than 2,000 years. That, and you generally can't prosecute people unless they're still alive."
i didn't say prosecute i said isn't that enough evidence that they were witnesses to Jesus' speeches. i know u can't throw dead people in jail.
i didn't say prosecute i said isn't that enough evidence that they were witnesses to Jesus' speeches. i know u can't throw dead people in jail.
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"i didn't say prosecute i said isn't that enough evidence that they were witnesses to Jesus' speeches."
- If they could testify it under a court of law, maybe... Write a letter to a friend/tell one and then many years after its written down in a book that is edited a number of times enough evidence? noooo....
"i know u can't throw dead people in jail. "
- Oh shit ronnie must have grown a braincell! :O
He can use simple logic!!!! Heureka!
- If they could testify it under a court of law, maybe... Write a letter to a friend/tell one and then many years after its written down in a book that is edited a number of times enough evidence? noooo....
"i know u can't throw dead people in jail. "
- Oh shit ronnie must have grown a braincell! :O
He can use simple logic!!!! Heureka!
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here's a better video i found
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WHy do you need to bash Obama? Is it like he's trying to destroy your own little world ronnie or what? He got no relevance to this forum. He doesn't tell he denies creationism. Seriously, how is your cause here gonna be advanced by the fact that you bash without real evidence to support it and mock a man that has nothing to do with us?
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