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Why Macro Evolution is a Joke: explained

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Monkey to man or animal to man can't happen.

Submitted By ronnie(l.a.) on 10/04/02

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No evidence for macro evolution.
The Sheer Lack Of Evidence For Macro Evolution - William Lane Craig - Watch more funny videos here

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Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/04/02 - 3:08 GMT

His argument boils down to:

"Durrr I can't find evidence of macro evolution in the writings of a single scientist, so I'll just make the extraordinarily stupid assumption that there is no evidence."

You're no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel, ronnie. No, you've broken through the bottom and now you're just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 15:07 GMT

The only thing extraordinarily stupid is believing anything but God.

They make a mockery of the human intellect by talking about aliens to get around God.

We have no ultimate truths, we just know there is no God.

If there is a God, then why does he allow suffering? Talk about an extraordinarily stupid question.

The universe is static and infinite, it has to be.

The cells will be like a blob of jelly.

Religion needs to change with the times.

Who made God?

We Christians actually deal with these extraordinarily stupid things all the time.

And the extraordinarily stupid responses to follow this post.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:09 GMT

The only thing extraordinarily stupid is believing anything but God.

They make a mockery of the human intellect by talking about aliens to get around God.

We have no ultimate truths, we just know there is no God.

If there is a God, then why does he allow suffering? Talk about an extraordinarily stupid question.

The universe is static and infinite, it has to be.

The cells will be like a blob of jelly.

Religion needs to change with the times.

Who made God?

We Christians actually deal with these extraordinarily stupid things all the time.

And the extraordinarily stupid responses to follow this post."

coherent how?

cells ARE just blobs, very dynamic blobs that is.

you don't know there is no god just like you don't know there isn't a teacup orbiting the earth. but by the same reasoning you also don't know there IS a god.

'Who made God?"

lol

who?
what is more like it.

you insert a god into another god's creation.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/19 - 13:43 GMT

The only thing extraordinarily stupid is believing anything but God.

Right, and I suppose we'll just take your word for that.

They make a mockery of the human intellect by talking about aliens to get around God.

Intelligent Design advocates, you mean?

We have no ultimate truths, we just know there is no God.

If there is a God, then why does he allow suffering? Talk about an extraordinarily stupid question.

Yes, those are extraordinarily stupid statements, so no surprise that you're using them to construct your strawman argument.

The universe is static and infinite, it has to be.

Uh, you're a teensy bit out-of-date on that one, chuckles.

Who made God?

Religion needs to change with the times.

We Christians actually deal with these extraordinarily stupid things all the time.

Not really. By and large, you just dodge and give disingenuous bullshit non-answers like "the Lord works in mysterious ways and his plan is not for us to know." Uh-huh.

"In the beginning, there was darkness - which is incredibly convenient because it means that I don't have to describe it to you."

And the extraordinarily stupid responses to follow this post.

How do you know that, have you already written them?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/04/02 - 11:37 GMT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

silly craig...

maleria isn't a bacterium....

you need to be HOMOZYGOTIC with the sickle cells alleles in order to develop the deadly anemia.

however being heterozygotic will grant you resistance, at the cost of only a little decrease in oxygen uptake.

and about plasmodium not being able to overcome the structural change of the cell, that is MUCH larger step to overcome then say....permeability for a specific compund (drug resistance).

and not only that. if somethign works, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO IMPROVE IT. like why the basic metabolic commands are still the same.

or should evolution force humans to suddenly start digestign nylon aswell?

william lane craig STFU, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 15:30 GMT

I think you guys should stop assuming evolution, you'll get more answers from a reverse engineer point of view, rather than keep up with the evolving jones'. Our medicine needs to be upgraded. You guys bumble fuck everything. Then cop out later when made fools of. As long as you think it is evolution and it is not. You will continue chasing your tales and taking forever to figure everything out. You talk with authority and have no answers. Only those bumble fucked assumptions, that we'll find out about next year. Junk dna keeps getting smaller every year. Why call it junk? Why not tell the truth. We are too stupid to comprehend it, so let's call it junk cause then we have the billion years we need to kill God. One day when these evil ideologs are dead we will know they is no Junk in the dna. only ignorant observers. And we see this in all parts of our society. These people are not to be trusted with anything. All they do is deceive.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:18 GMT

'I think you guys should stop assuming evolution, you'll get more answers from a reverse engineer point of view, rather than keep up with the evolving jones'."

aaahghh,,,the ignorance of bioly is huritng my brains..

it's because we an lok at the patterns in the data that we can say in retrospect how a sysstem has evolved.

btw evolution is a FACT, you can observe it.

how it happend through the history of life, now THAT is the question.

"Junk dna keeps getting smaller every year."

you mean we are continueing to discover more purposes for hyopthetical protiens? or are you saying that our genome size is decreasing with each generation?

'Why call it junk?"

because it has no apparent protien information. that doesn;'t mean it doesn't have a function...or that it isn't important. in fact the man who coined the term also gave an explination of why it was there and what it was responsible for.

'. We are too stupid to comprehend it,"

if you though we we're saying junk DNA has no funtion...then apparenly you are just to stupid.

"One day when these evil ideologs are dead we will know they is no Junk in the dna."

so you REALLY though the term implied LITERAL junk?

LOL>< these kind sof statements are how i know you are horribly ignorant on the subjects of biology or chemistry....

' All they do is deceive."

and yet these people do your research, enhance your crops, make you medications, make your stateof the art organic compounds and catalists...

WOW, talk about irony...

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/19 - 23:53 GMT

I think you guys should stop assuming evolution [...]

Congratulations, I doubt I've ever witnessesd so much concentrated stupidity in such a small amount of text.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 14:10 GMT

Our medicine needs to be upgraded.

Righty-o - colloidal silver, leaches, and mercury for all!

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/04/02 - 11:41 GMT

you wna tto know what is even funnier.

later in the debate, craig switches right around and claims creationists accept macro evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyPrIvpvlhs

when he talkes about bears.

if evolving into a panda and polar bear isn't a clear sign of macro evolution, dam....the you are really dense.

ronnie(l.a.)

1 day - 2,617v

Posted 2010/04/13 - 23:05 GMT

debunking macro evolution. bears come from bears. people come from people. monkey type creatures come from monkey type creatures.

Corey S. (cms13ca)

10 hours - 500v

Posted 2010/04/13 - 23:31 GMT

Macroevolution occurs at or above the species level.

And the Bible states that man "evolved" from dirt and that woman "evolved" from a dirty rib.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

2 days - 2,415v

Posted 2010/04/14 - 1:57 GMT

I've seen that video atleast 3 times now and i can't bring myself to do a list of everything that's wrong about it because i know if i do, i will be stuck with it for 2 days and end up with a Ph. D thesis.

In other thought, how about you give your own arguments ronnie and not just a video with a bunch of washed out old farts you people call "arguments" and "evidence". I tell you what, give us the one argument mr. Hovind gives in that video that was exceptionally convincing and we could explain/show you why Hovind got his head up his arse when he thought of that argument.

It's lazy, but i dont see the point in putting several hours on trashing that video for you not to acknowledge it and frankly just ignore it as if it wasn't there.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/19 - 23:57 GMT

debunking macro evolution. bears come from bears. people come from people. monkey type creatures come from monkey type creatures.

You ARE a "monkey type creature", moron. That one isn't even up for debate - the classification of humans as primates was made by a creationist, before Darwin was even born.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/10 - 14:24 GMT

bacteria evolve? Then why did we dig up supposedly 140,000,000 yr old bacteria. Thing is that bacteria was resistant to the antibiotic in the same way the supposed evolved bacteria were. So if it evolved resistance, how could it be resistant 140,000,000 years ago? You see, it is being presumed to evolve and taught as fact. Not for science, for hatred of God. Those scientists are as dishonest as convicts in prison. Educated doesn't mean honest. As a matter of fact, our kids are going into these schools honest and coming out deluded liars. Those so called smart people are committing evil on our children every day.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/10 - 17:16 GMT

"Then why did we dig up supposedly 140,000,000 yr old bacteria."

please, someone stop the ignorance..

dude.

protists, bacteria and archea make up almost 99% of all the genetic diversity of life.

"how could it be resistant 140,000,000 years ago?"

THAT actually is quite possible.

most antibiotics are compounds made by organisms themselves to protect or to compete.

it's actually quite possible that the ancestors of a linaige already evovled resitstance toa comound, which redily kills other bacteria.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:16 GMT

Look, I know you think you are smart. But pain your brain for just a second. With the odds so against mutation, you can't have evolution both ways. if we evolve, the odds are too great to get there as is, let alone to drive evolution back as if it is part of the process of forward, you need trillions of years not billions so you are falling short mentally on this one man. You are like a chess player that sees 3 moves ahead laughing at a man thinking 5 ahead. Know what I mean? Verne. :) All the information you have is not saying anything, but it act like it is everything.

let me explain. They assumed a resistance evolved. If the resistance evolved, then an older version should not have the resistance yet.

Now before they found it. If you are a design believer, you would predict a resistance existing in all populations that have not been weeded out so to speak. It was you atheists that were "wow, how could this be". Yea of course you have your just so stories that can't be checked on. I can safely say the things you were taught are bullshit man. Your educational effort is how does this work, not "it's evolution".

And you are a moron to take what you learn and use it to bash people in a christian forum, rather than talk to others and find real truth. Not "that" fuck God assumptions in all you do in life. You think the reason people believe in God is ignorance, bleeds from your every word dude. Pascal's wager still applies today, especially in light of the quantum paradox. That means, you see through glasses of evolution you think you see evolution. If you see evolution you are wagering against the wise wager, the exact mistake everyone who loses in poker make, no?

So, until the mysteries of the universe are truly solved. Only stupid people say your stupid for believing in God. design, design, design, get it through your thick skulls and stop wasting the worlds money on a God you hate. But can't prove what you believe one bit. You can only speculate. Like us. you know, the ones making the wise wager.

So in my opinion, science should be much further, and the more robots like you we have, the longer it will take to figure out how everything is designed. Then and only then can we reverse engineer to put the benefit into action. Being a smart human being on the outside looking in, I see a bunch of dumb fucks thinking they are smarter because they think they have figured out what they can't prove.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 13:46 GMT

If the resistance evolved, then an older version should not have the resistance yet.

Flawed reasoning. You seem to be assuming that evolution states that the immunity should come into existence overnight, as a direct/immediate reaction to some external factor.

In reality, there's no reason that immunity couldn't have existed for thousands or millions of years beforehand. If the immunity wasn't detrimental, then it wouldn't be selected-against - and as 325 pointed out, immunity to antibiotics still would still have had an advantage before the medical use of antibiotics.

The difference is that antibiotics are in much, much greater abundance today - so resistance to them has much greater advantages to bacteria than it would have 100,000-odd years ago, so that trait is much more likely to be selected-for.

And you are a moron to take what you learn and use it to bash people

As opposed to your approach of attempting to bash people from a position of total ignorance.

Pascal's wager still applies today, especially in light of the quantum paradox.

You can't grasp introductory high school-level biology, but we should take your word about quantum physics?

So, until the mysteries of the universe are truly solved. Only stupid people say your stupid for believing in God.

God of the gaps argument. Yawn. Next?

So in my opinion, science should be much further, and the more robots like you we have, the longer it will take to figure out how everything is designed.

Yeah, who need peer review when you can have the Inquisition.

Being a smart human being on the outside looking in,

BUWAHAHAHAHA! Yes, you're certainly MENSA material.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 14:04 GMT

So if it evolved resistance, how could it be resistant 140,000,000 years ago?

That makes as much sense as asking "If cars are a recent development, then how could there have been wheeled vehicles in the past?"

Not for science, for hatred of God. Those scientists are as dishonest as convicts in prison.

Teensy problem, though - there are actually scientists who are also practicing Christians. So I supposed that Ted Bakker & Kenneth Miller (to pick two example off the top of my head) are also motivated by "hatred of God"?

Oh, wait, sorry, I forgot the stock Christian apologist excuse: they're not "real Christians", right?

As a matter of fact, our kids are going into these schools honest and coming out deluded liars. Those so called smart people are committing evil on our children every day.

Yes, yes... I think by now we all realize that paint-by-number conspiracy theories is your explanation for everything. The only difference between you and run-of-the-mill conspiracy kooks? Instead of the Illuminati or the jews or the reptillian-humanoid aliens, you believe that a conspiracy of evil atheist communist evolutionists controls everything.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/10 - 14:26 GMT

There is no such thing as evolution. They took the right word "variation" and threw it in the trash. Now the science is variation. The hopeful assumption is evolution, and they disguise it as fact by saying they are educated and know. Liars all of them.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/10 - 17:17 GMT

"They took the right word "variation" and threw it in the trash."

now where does that variation in the genepool come from? that;'s right, mutations.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:27 GMT

You call it a mutation. Like some of the junk ain't junk anymore, right?

It's all bumble fucked by you people. None of that variation could be in that junk area. lol While the very ideology is destroying the economies of the world. You may find yourself working for a friend whom won't let you leave til you get him his weapon. lol

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/17 - 6:38 GMT

"You call it a mutation. Like some of the junk ain't junk anymore, right?"

what?

most of the phenotypical changes happen when mutations occur in the genes or in the regulatory sequences.

not in the junk DNA.

and THAT is one of the reasons junk dna is important.

it acts as a buffer to minimamalize the effect of mutations.

"None of that variation could be in that junk area."

??this doesn't even make sense!

the variation (visably) arises when mutation accumulate in the CODING sections. it's extremely rare for a mutation to happen ina acoding sequence and then get a novel protien.

it's much more likely for a geneduplication and a subsequent mutation in the duplicated gene. like how nylonse evolved.

you haven't a fucking clue as to what you are telking about do you?

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 14:26 GMT

You call it a mutation. Like some of the junk ain't junk anymore, right?

It's all bumble fucked by you people. None of that variation could be in that junk area.

And you've trotted out another tired creationist talking point - you folks repeat this one so often that I've practically memorized the response:

"When science is taught as only factual observation [...], then disagreements among scientists and changing scientific views are seen as weaknesses and failings of scientific knowledge. However, the exact opposite is the case. It is the dynamic, changing, self-correcting nature of science that is its very strength."

lol While the very ideology is destroying the economies of the world. You may find yourself working for a friend whom won't let you leave til you get him his weapon. lol

Uh, what? Are you not capable of sticking to a single topic for even ONE post? Maybe you should ask ronnie to sell you some of his ritallin.

P.S.

What's with all the "lol"? Are you intentionally trying to write like a teenage girl?

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:29 GMT

Yea, I didn't like this guy that much, he like has a whine in his voice. He seems to make rationalizations, reality. No harm I guess. Just opinion.

Mike (mwolf)

15 hours - 580v

Posted 2010/06/16 - 16:37 GMT

They might be what an Atheist calls evidence. I could shit on a plate, say an ape man plopped it out, and I would be put on 10 front pages and have 2 museum exhibits built for the first missing link turd. lol They all lie folks. and the ones that don't are the useful idiots. No truth, just walking around beating us all with the truth stick if you know what I mean, comrads.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/17 - 6:40 GMT

"They might be what an Atheist calls evidence. I could shit on a plate, say an ape man plopped it out, and I would be put on 10 front pages and have 2 museum exhibits built for the first missing link turd. lol"

why don't you go try and do some research aand get it published ey>?
why not a cohort study on the effects of collodal silver in vivo?

or a study in vitro?

trust me, it's not as easy as just making shit up and then getting a medal.

ronnie(l.a.)

1 day - 2,617v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 0:47 GMT

u mean making stuff up like coming from monkey type creatures?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 10:35 GMT

"u mean making stuff up like coming from monkey type creatures?"

no ronnie we ARE saying humans (including you) are classivied as H. sapiens, Genus: Homo,Tribe: Hominini Subfamily: Homininae Family: Hominidae Order: Primates Class: Mammalia Phylum: Chordata Kingdom: Animalia Domain: eukaryota.

and all the sub and infra sections inbetween this classification.

and we've known this even before darwin was born.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 14:44 GMT

u mean making stuff up like coming from monkey type creatures?

Wow, ronnie, you truly are a master-debater.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 14:39 GMT

I could shit on a plate, say an ape man plopped it out, and I would be put on 10 front pages and have 2 museum exhibits built for the first missing link turd.

Oh you'd make some front pages, but not in the way you think. I can see the headline now....

"Local mentally-handicapped man arrested and evicted from trailer park after sending fecal matter to scientific journals"

just walking around beating us all with the truth stick if you know what I mean, comrads.

Nudge-nudge, know what I mean, say no more!

ronnie(l.a.)

1 day - 2,617v

Posted 2010/06/20 - 23:29 GMT

maybe u come from a monkey like creature with your perverted jokes. by the way u still havent proved that comets are being created today. still waiting.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/21 - 15:36 GMT

maybe u come from a monkey

Whereas you, apparently, came from one of the lower primates.

like creature with your perverted jokes.

So an obvious, offhand joke is completely unacceptable in your value system - but you have no problem committing defamation and making false accusations of pedophilia. Interesting set of values you got there.

by the way u still havent proved that comets are being created today. still waiting.

One, you still haven't answered the question of how that has any relevance whatsoever to evolution or creationism. It's not even directly-relevant to cosmological topics like the age of the universe.

Clearly you're just cherry-picking a single irrelevant detail and deliberately taking it out of context.

Two, it doesn't have to be proven. The minimum age of the universe is known with a high degree of certainty/precision - and the estimated lifetime of comets, combined with the fact that we still observe comets today, means that there must be a source of new comets.

If you want to challenge the scientific figures given for the age of the universe, then at least have the guts to do it directly. Of course, that would require discussion of fields like astronomy, cosmology, and physics - and we both know those are topics that you're utterly ignorant of.

ronnie(l.a.)

1 day - 2,617v

Posted 2010/06/21 - 19:34 GMT

why would i debate with a liar? your no doctor of science.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,501v

Posted 2010/06/21 - 23:32 GMT

why would i debate with a liar?

Ahahahahaha, nice cop-out.

your no doctor of science.

Of course I am - and believe me, the Institute of Lasers and Radiation doesn't give out doctoral degrees to just anyone!

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)