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Illogical to believe in god
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Submitted By Ellman on 09/08/16
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A Logical Explanation of Why it is Unlikely that God Exists

In my search for a belief system, I seek truth, not happiness. Believing in something pleasant would bring me no happiness if I had any doubts as to its validity. I have no doubt about the lack of a higher being. Here's why:

It is physically impossible for there to have been a beginning of time. One of the primary rules of physics is that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Therefor there cannot ever have been a time when there was nothing in the universe. Theists will argue that God doesn't have to follow the rules of physics, and that brings me to my second point.

If you are a theist, you believe that God created the universe and that God has always existed, and will always exist. If you are an atheist, you probably believe that the universe has always and will always exist. Eithor way, you believe that something has existed for an infinite amount of time. We know that the universe does exist now, but we don't know if God exists now. So therefor it is more likely that the universe has always existed than it is that God has always existed, or even does today.

Also consider this: if there was no God, there would be no purpose for life. If there was no God, life would not be fair. Life has no purpose. Life is not fair. So, the only reason to believe in God is because you want to. Many people will disagree with me here and say that life has a purpose, they just haven't figured out what it is yet, and that life is fair and people always get what's coming to them. This simply isn't true, and I think deep down inside you know that. It's just more comfortable to think those kinds of things. They're not true, but people believe them because they want to.

Fourth, I fail to see how anyone can in good conscience dismiss the theory of evolution in favor of creationism. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution, and none at all for creationism. People refuse to believe that we humans are no better than the apes. It gives people a sense of justification to think that we are somehow "better" than the animals with which we share the planet. It is pure stubborn arrogance that prevents them from looking at the facts in an objective manner. Our instincts to eat, seek shelter, and procreate coincide with natural selection, and explain why our race has survived the millennia. However, from the christian point of view, our instinct to procreate goes directly against the rules set out for us by God.

Also, God gave us free will, but those who accept without questioning will be more readily accepted into heaven. Why would God give us the ability to reason and then expect us to take anything on faith?

So, there are many questions which cannot be answered by religion without making an effort to interpret the word in such a way that it coincides with what we instinctively know to be true. Why should you have to make an effort to believe in something? The truth is self-evident. The only reason to belive in God is because you want to. Let me say that again. The only reason to believe in God is because you want to.

Now that I have established my position, allow me to explain how this has influenced my view of life. First of all, atheists do NOT take their religion lightly. I know that if some people are right, I'm damned. It takes quite a commitment to face that threat without fear. A lot of people believe in God "just to be on the safe side". Well if you're one of those people you're just as damned as I am because you don't really believe. You have to make a decision and really stick to it, not just pay lip service to the church in exchange for admittance into heaven. Some theists view atheists as lazy, becuase we don't put forth an effort to believe. I contend that one should be forced by logic to believe in the truth, because it is self-evident. No effort is required beyond gathering facts and asessing their value. 1

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Re: Illogical to believe in god
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/08/16 - 11:01 GMT
"First of all, atheists do NOT take their religion lightly."
 
i disagree with the use of the word religion here.
 
its gives a false sense of equality to the structure between theistic religions and the position of non agreement on existance of atheism.
 
"It takes quite a commitment to face that threat without fear."
 
AWH, well...maybe for you, it's a bit different to me. if there is a god, and i go to hell. well, it's his omnipotent fault.
 
"A lot of people believe in God "just to be on the safe side"."
 
ironically, those who do are still damned, just because they think they can fool god in covering their ass.
 
"Some theists view atheists as lazy, becuase we don't put forth an effort to believe."
 
i disagree...i put forth lots of effort believe, and that all rewards me with the observations of faults in religions.
 
it's like that saying...."The fastest way to make someone an atheist, is to hand them a bible."
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Re: Illogical to believe in god
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Posted 2009/08/16 - 12:21 GMT
yeah i didn't write this, i just found it interesting. You can argue definitions and problems all you want. This is one mans thought on why it's illogical to believe in god.

This is from the facebook link i supplied:
   "The intricacy of what GOD created is unfathomable. From the simplest single-celled organisms to the most complex galaxies of the universe, everything screams creation. It is illogical and impossible that a realm and reality to this magnitude can all be some accident. Things that we don't really think of, for instance, the fact we have fully functioning organs and systems that work co-operatically and simultaneously is more than enough to fully convince me this world is hand crafted by God Himself :D"

I read this and i wonder... Is belief based on ignorance and disinformation or just stupidity?
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Re: Illogical to believe in god
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Posted 2009/09/01 - 23:46 GMT
I find happiness in truth but because I cannot establish a fact doesnt mean it is an error.  There is a lot about this old world we do not understand even though we are learning more all the time.  Because we dont understand what keeps the world in orbit doesnt mean its giong to crash. 
 
Actually I believe most theists are with the author on this one.  God has no beginning and no end.  He is eternal and while admitting that you cancel your first statement dont you? 
 
The ability to procreate goes against the rules of God?  Yea that would be why He tells us in the first book of the Bible to be fruitfull and multiply and replenish the earth Gen. 1:28.   Replenish?  Doesnt that tell us that there was another earth here originally that needed replenishing?  Thats another subject though.  Sex is sacred not dirty.  God does not condemn it.  Sexually uptight, totally illiterate people condemn it.  God gave us a lot to enjoy.   
 
"We dont know" is not a logical conclusion it is an admission of limitations to our knowledge.  It certainly is no evidence God does not exist.  Lack of evidence does not establish evidence. 
 
Life is as fair as we make it.  Every inhabitant needs to accept his or her responsibility to bring a just and loving society instead of waiting for God to reign fire on the unrighteous.  The Bible is very clear, there is going to be a loving society in existence at Christs return.  Isaiah 2. 
 
The purpose of life according to cowboy philosophy is to leave the bucket a little fuller then you found it.  That means put in a little more then you take so there will be lots for everyone.  Negative people will never find the solution.   People believe those kind of things because they work. 
 
Intelligent design -vs- evolution.  There is insurmountable evidence of both.   Its not a case of either or here.  
 
I am no better, no worse then an ape, just different.  Im not saying we are not related.  All of Gods creation are related. 
 
That last paragraph is quite true. Illogical points lead to a logical conclusion.  Phenominal!  Actually I find most arguments for evolution based on a lack of understanding of the Bible. 
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Re: Illogical to believe in god
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Posted 2009/09/02 - 19:51 GMT
"I find happiness in truth but because I cannot establish a fact doesnt mean it is an error."
- How is that even a sentence? Search all you want, but you just end up searching you whole life without no happiness.

"There is a lot about this old world we do not understand even though we are learning more all the time."
- Not really, i think we know a great deal of things about this world and how it works.

"Because we dont understand what keeps the world in orbit doesnt mean its giong to crash.  "
- Is that a logical argument for "god did it"? Becuase that was what happened in the old days pre-science. Everything was contributed to god/s. We understand why planets orbit each other and what laws govern them. Do some reading on physics man.

"Actually I believe most theists are with the author on this one.  God has no beginning and no end.  He is eternal and while admitting that you cancel your first statement dont you?"
- And that is you personal belief based on... nothing? You don't know if he's eternal or not because you cannot possibly know how. I mean it's the same thing as me knowing that a guy name lak is eating a roast beef with potatoe salad in a small island in the pacific outside the great barrier reef. I can't possibly know and me saying "HE DOES" doesn't make it more true what so ever.

"Yea that would be why He tells us in the first book of the Bible to be fruitfull and multiply and replenish the earth Gen. 1:28."
- I suspect the horny men who wrote the bible sneaked that one in there for plesure. Btw if it's in our genes and our instincts to procreate why does god have to tell us to do it? I mean we would have fucked a bunch before we knew of god. Why would he have it in our DNA programmed in if he did exist. This is a bit of a worthless argument, but it does anull his role as "sexual guider".

Also does gay count? cuz i hear they have really good sex. And why would god created gays if he didn't like them? It would be like having a child for the sole reason to punish it for its existance.

"God gave us a lot to enjoy."
- God gave Ted Haggard a lot to enjoy ;)

""We dont know" is not a logical conclusion it is an admission of limitations to our knowledge."
- If we lack the knowledge to make a good statement about a question or phenomenan that we don't have any good evidence for it's logical to say we don't know. In fact it's better to say "we are not really sure" and "we don't know" than "I KNOW GOD EXISTS! I KNOW CREATION HAPPENED" as this is so extremely dishonest. We don't want to spread lies do we?

"It certainly is no evidence God does not exist.  Lack of evidence does not establish evidence.  "
- Right, but when you got claims (and the bible) of things contributed to god and it is shown that he had nothing to do with it because of natural laws and processes. That kinda lowers his credability pretty much, also yours for that matter.

"Life is as fair as we make it."
- Not really, we are at the mercy of others to make it fair for us all.

"Every inhabitant needs to accept his or her responsibility to bring a just and loving society instead of waiting for God to reign fire on the unrighteous."
- And bashing gays and claiming that it's immoral and stuff like that is loving how? Come on if you really wanted a loving society you would be tolerant of everything and everyone.

"The Bible is very clear, there is going to be a loving society in existence at Christs return."
- Might be, but it doesn't exist IRL.

"The purpose of life according to cowboy philosophy is to leave the bucket a little fuller then you found it."
- I would call that humanism and tbh that is what a majority of the atheist community advocates. Secular humanism.

"There is insurmountable evidence of both.   Its not a case of either or here. "
- Not really. There are about 600 000 peer reviewed articles about evolution and tests and studies and such, while creationism/Intelligent design has about 10, all of whom are studies about scientific illiteracy or a critical review about why it's not remotely scientific.

Tell you what. If we are going to be scientific here let's follow the scientific method. You supply with evidence (not arguments) and i supply with evidence when you have supplied yours and we will all examine them and then make a conclusion based on the explanations that is testable and working to make out if god did it or nature did it.
Go ahead specky! show me the scientific evidence that you speak of!

"I am no better, no worse then an ape, just different."
- Reminds me of the animal farm by george orwell.
"all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
A fysiological feat makes you different from apes, just like wings makes the difference between penguines and albatrosses. One animal to another with different feats all supplied by our good friend nature ;)

"All of Gods creation are related. "
- Genetics tell us we are all related to some extent. just like the animal farm quote "all animals are related, but some are more related than others"
Why would god create 2 different kinds of nucleic acids? If he did create them all why wouldn't he just make them all with the same nucleic acid that was the best one? It doesn't make sense tbh.

"Actually I find most arguments for evolution based on a lack of understanding of the Bible.  "
- Are you completely insane?! Why the fuck should evolution change according to the bible?! You find real arguments that doesn't add up with your fairytale and you don't really understand it so you trust the only thing that says you're special, the bible... That was the lames argument ever TBH! You understanding of evolution is based on lack of knowledge. go read a friggen bok that doesnt cotain the word god fro crying out loud.




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Re: Illogical to believe in god
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Posted 2009/09/02 - 21:12 GMT
So you dont find happiness in the pursuit of truth?  My sympathy. 
 
You know a great deal about this world?  I can only sympathize with you in your delusion. 
 
Its not logical to missrepresent what someone else says.  I will answer your post when you learn to read.  I could read better then you in grade 3.  If your pointless mind only seeks a pointless argument find someone else to do it with.  Why is it that many of you cannot read.  Reading must come before comprehension.  Until you show me that you can read I cannot assist your understanding. 
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Re: Illogical to believe in god
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Posted 2009/09/03 - 10:56 GMT
"So you dont find happiness in the pursuit of truth?  My sympathy.  "
- It doesn't make sense at all. The pursuit of truth is not depening on happiness, in fact it's not even remotely close to each other. Truth =/= happiness. I don't get how you can even come to that conclusion. Not even by some distorted christian beliefs.

Religion only helps the lost and the hopeless, mostly poor miserable people that need hope of a better tomorrow. That's it. Religion is a search for something that makes you happy. All religions claim to have the "rules" for achieving happiness, but since some of us are not religions that means we don't need to search for something to make us happy and give our lifes purpose. We have already found it, exculding god/s. Question to other atheists, confirm it?

You actually have to be told how to live your life, while we have come to insight that we can live we want as long as it fullfills our lives and WE give it purpose. Not some hypothetical omnipotent being.

"You know a great deal about this world?  I can only sympathize with you in your delusion.  "
- You don't add anything of value to the discussion, in fact you are terrorising the discussion. Sympathize all you want, it's your time you're wasting and it doesn't help tbh.

"Its not logical to missrepresent what someone else says."
- If you speak in metaphores it is. And you do like metaphores and bad analogies that doesn't make much sense ^^

"I could read better then you in grade 3."
- Ofc you could, i had trouble learning to read so i probably couldn't read at all during the 3d grade let alone english.

"If your pointless mind only seeks a pointless argument find someone else to do it with."
- When is an argument pointless? Oh when they are from ignorans or pulled out your ass!

"Why is it that many of you cannot read."
- Refute my claims not my character. ad homnium.


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