Ah, the old "believe in that i believe or burn in hell forever!"
indoctrination harmless?
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i don't think so
Submitted By thebiblewascompiledin325AD on 09/06/11
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dammm indoctrination, that one sentence.....so insane.
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That show is crap. Christianity is nothing like that. The beauty of salvation is that we are saved. Especially the ignorant and innocent.
If you don't understand christianity don't discuss it. If you don't want to understand christianity don't concern yourself with it. All I see is a bunch of ignorant rednecks with nothing better to do in their shallow lives but go and bash a people's beliefs.
If your not a christian, don't worry with christianity. Do I spend all my time ridiculing and worrying about what buddhists are doing? No. Or any other belief. I don't care what they believe. They are free to believe what they want as should be. This show is for the shallow minded, that get their jollies off ridiculing other people. It's discusting. I love being a christian and have found no fault in it's doctrines. That's what I concern myself with, not all the working mechanisms of someone else's beliefs.
This would equate to me starting a show, openly discussing how irrational and stupid atheists are. That's the equation. But I don't. Most people don't. And do you know why? Because we don't concern ourselves with what other people believe, you've got to be a truly empty headed jackass to indulge this kind of garbage.
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"Christianity is nothing like that."
THOSE people who tell their children that, will beg to differ.
you can't just call these people non chrisitans just because they do not conform to your exact interpretation of the word.
"The beauty of salvation is that we are saved."
saved from what and what happens if we don't get saved.
THAT'S the issue.
"If you don't understand christianity don't discuss it."
i could say the same thing to you about science, but hey, we all know how that turns out.
"All I see is a bunch of ignorant rednecks with nothing better to do in their shallow lives but go and bash a people's beliefs."
that is because you ignore the content of their argumetns.
oh and btw, mat WAS A FUNDEMENTALIST christian, in fact he was studying to be a preacher.
so, that shit don't fly when ur talking about matt from the atheistexperience.
"If your not a christian, don't worry with christianity"
if you're not an american, don't worry what the other american do.
you get the point? let me outline it more perfectly for you.
CRITIZING SHIT WE FIND IRRATIONAL.
" Do I spend all my time ridiculing and worrying about what buddhists are doing?'
you DO when ur talking about atheists or people who accept evolution.
"This show is for the shallow minded, that get their jollies off ridiculing other people."
which proves my point that you fail to understand WHY they make their show.
" I love being a christian and have found no fault in it's doctrines."
right, and we aren't allowed to show you the logical backflips you have to do to "found no fault in it's doctrines." because?????
and you can be intellectually honest by just ignoring those critisims because???
"openly discussing how irrational and stupid atheists are"
right. and we would care because? well we would if you actualy started spewing lies and mischaractarizations of what atheist are, like you do with ToE, but ultimately we would applaud the effort you put into formulating sound critices, IF you happpened to form them.
btw, it's STILL not an accurate comparison, you'd make it accurate if you'd compare it by making a show that bashed muslims.
"Because we don't concern ourselves with what other people believe,"
oooh BS, you care like hell, otherwise you would spend your time spreading "the word of christ". but the reason we care, is because we see these people makign actual p[olitical and social decisions, which affect the whole community, BASED pn these beliefs.
and if you're gonna be makign such large decisions, you better hope you got some good justification for them.
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"THOSE people who tell their children that, will beg to differ.
you can't just call these people non chrisitans just because they do not conform to your exact interpretation of the word."
-I don't care how some people interpret it. Again, it doesn't concern non-christians, it's an internal affair. Anyone who reads the bible, with a non-critical mind, finds that it is full of grace, unconditional love, forgiveness, mercy and salvation.
"saved from what and what happens if we don't get saved.
THAT'S the issue."
-If your not a christian, why even bother? This is what I mean. Your not a christian, yet your going to dither over christian precepts. But to answer your question:
There is a problem with humanity, not with the world itself. We are corrupt, because of our nature. We were sinners before we ever sinned, it is not what you do that seperates you from god, it is what you are. Jesus is the symbiosis for the salvation of man. You don't have to necessarily, believe in jesus, or even have heard of jesus in order to be subject to his salvation. Just READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT THAT.
Romans 10:13
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Isaiah 45:21, 22
"..... and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a saviour; there is none beside me.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all ends of the earth: For I am God, and there is none else."
The only way to exempt yourself from salvation is to turn away salvation. And that is not this illusion that you will be tortured for all eternity and die you horrible beast. It is seperation from god, just what the bible says. Which ironically, is a lot like the earth. seperation from god.
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"Anyone who reads the bible, with a non-critical mind, finds that it is
full of grace, unconditional love, forgiveness, mercy and salvation."
right and readign it with a non critical mind makes taking it literal intelectualy honest HOW?
if you cannot see the hole in your logic here....well...it might be to late for you then...
"If your not a christian, why even bother?"
because i find it reprehensable to tell you child that he's deserving of eternal torture if he doesn't buy your religion, or he behaves like a normal kid.
and if i see someone do that, i speak my mind.
" We were sinners before we ever sinned, it is not what you do that seperates you from god, it is what you are."
riight, now couple that with sinner-> you go te hell.
and your logic allows you to say "dead babies, or miscarriages go to hell because of origninal sin"
"You don't have to necessarily, believe in jesus, or even have heard of jesus in order to be subject to his salvation."
that makes no sense at all coming from someone who posted the stuff you have posted.
so esentailly i can life my entire life without even as much as hearign a thing about Jezus, and STILL get into heaven?
"And that is not this illusion that you will be tortured for all eternity"
ooooooh i know plenty of funides who beg to differ!
hence their slogan.
"convert or burn"
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Your wrong on every account. You don't understand god or Christianity. You presume to understand these matters as an evolutionist presumes to understand science. Your wrong and you are arguing against a strawman, that doesn't even exist. You are attempting to chisel Christians into a mold that fits your agenda, as the world has been trying to do. But Christianity is not like that, never has been.
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"Your wrong on every account. You don't understand god or Christianity."
o rly? you DO realie that i these ARE the views of certain christians, just like with VFX and science, you're just classifyign them as non christians or fools, because they don't understsnd YOUR view of god.
"evolutionist presumes to understand science."
I DO understand science, hence the reason i'm going into a scientific field of study.
you on the other hand don;'t even understand basic biology and have no right whatsoever to lecture me on what science is and what it isnt'.
"Your wrong and you are arguing against a strawman,"
if only that were soo. no you really MUST check out how many batshit crazy fundies are out there preaching this exact message.
EG: west burrow baptists.
or VFX
and i can't find the original of this because it was deleted to fast...
but you get the scope of his madness...
and YES these people call themselves christians and will happily argue with you that they are so.
"You are attempting to chisel Christians into a mold that fits your agenda,"
no, people have all kinds of view of god and religion, and they are almost flawed in someway or the other.
" But Christianity is not like that, never has been."
tell that to ALL the sects of christians that are out there.
face it. you have no leg to stand on here.
this might not be your view of jezus, but it is someone elses.
not to forget i actually gave several presummositions on one of my examples and THEN made a point according to those presuppositions (the babies go to hell example)
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All I see is a bunch of ignorant rednecks with nothing better to do in their shallow lives but go and bash a people's beliefs.
Awww, don't be so hard on yourself.
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Especially the ignorant and innocent.
Ah, so that must be why fundamentalist Christians are so fond of willful ignorance.
Because we don't concern ourselves with what other people believe,
you've got to be a truly empty headed jackass to indulge this kind of
garbage.
And now, we take you back to 9tails regularly-scheduled rant about liberalism.
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