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More American mainstream liberal media bias

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Submitted By 9tails on 09/06/04

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Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

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Posted 2009/06/05 - 2:19 GMT

1. You forgot the link i gave in another thread when O'Reilly painted a horrible picture of the doctor and what a monster he was like he deserved it. That's bias like hell.
2. The murder in a church by a pro-lifer is a much more charged story playing on peoples emotions. People react to it a lot more than some soldiers getting killed (no offence, but there has been a lot of them with all the wars and stuff). Look at other articles. For example, it's a better story to post that 200 people died in a aircraft accident than 2000 people in darfur. Also when Israel invaded Gaza, i watched both Fox news and Al Jazeera to compare them. If you watched Al Jazeera you found out that the arab lifes was somehow equally worth those of the Israely, but when you watched Fox the Israely had more worth than the palestines. It's all subjective to who you are broadcasting the news to.

9tails

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Posted 2009/06/05 - 10:50 GMT

Good point, I can accept that.

However, I have a preconceived knowledge that Israel is often entreated as a "bully" or otherwise bad guy in the middle east. This is unfortunate, as Israel's "attack" (it was more of a moderate counter offensive) on Gaza (Israel's territory) was a retaliation, it has been long provoked and merited by the Palestinians.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/05 - 11:15 GMT

" it has been long provoked and merited by the Palestinians."

hamas

not the civilians.

and it's been mostly the civilians that they killed.

"I have a preconceived knowledge that Israel is often entreated as a "bully" or otherwise bad guy in the middle east."

and i have preconceved knowledge WHY the arabs do that, and i have preconceved knowledge HOW israel positions itself.

and i have knowledge on WHO is more closer to the truth.

mainly their actions.

even though the arab world has been largely negative before and is now changing (the palastinians having declined numerous solutions in the past) israel has alos done it's share of bad things. the arabs just exxagerate these. while israel tries to justify them.

and before you try.

one of my history examn subjects has been israel and palastine, so i know what i am talking about. that and i've lived in the middle east myself.

9tails

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Posted 2009/06/05 - 13:10 GMT

Respectfully, I would like to ask you about some of the culture there in the middle east on how it compares to the portrayal here in the states and in europe.

Where have you lived? And how does their culture compare?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/05 - 14:29 GMT

"Where have you lived?"

Oman

" And how does their culture compare?"

to the US.

i have no idea.

i have no idea what the US's depiction is. tell me and i'll compare.

as to the one in europe?

most people wouldn't have even heard of Oman, when they'd think about the middle east they start thinkign of either Mecca or palastine.

either a desert, or a war zone.

that is the ignorant people.

the people with a bit of education know that the middle east is quite a large place and is filled with many ethic groups.

they know the climate is mostly arid and that one of the commen agricultural porduce is dates, which are grown in large planations that do the arid land scape. they know that the arabs are deendants from nomads and have very friendly and hospitable nature.(and im talkign about the arabs in the boot, not turkey or the iran portion.)

however they also know about the giant brain sap on that fundementalist islam has placed over the culture of the region.

i am not in any place to give a accurate comparison between arabic culture and western culture, the main point beign that is was quite soem time ago.

if you want a good comparison. go to your nearest mosque and ask the iman (or surf the internet for some good coverage), im sure he can give you a better picture of WHAT islam inspired into the culture and what the culture inspired into Islam.

i presume that is the real thing you want to know.

i can tell you this though. arabs like prosperity. and they'll redily apost western society when they can make a god living, like Dubai or Qatar. and that the anti palasitnian position and the historical screwover by the birtish has bred some resentment in the arab world. the US invasion of Irak beign one of the biggest blunders on foreign policy.

the US drove the conservative and the moderate together when they started to meddle in the region. this has create a sort of distortion of the actual political situation in the middle east to make it apear as if there's extremist all around there, when in fact there are not.

and that's a breef word.

there is way more to tell and learn on this region, but im probably not the best person to tell it.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

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Posted 2009/06/05 - 21:15 GMT

what you mean is that they instead of fighting eachother they got together and fought a common bigger threat?

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/05 - 22:18 GMT

"what you mean is that they instead of fighting eachother they got together and fought a common bigger threat?"

more or less. but they would really "fight" the fundementalists, they'd just marginalize thier political power while continuing to modernize.

but america had to get a president like W who just had to go into Irak on false claims. and who just had to have the war on terror escalate to a muslim witchhunt.

Bush probalby did more damage to America's credibility and foreign relation, then any other president. Afg, Irak, FEMA they really hit home into the hardcore anti america camp.

9tails

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Posted 2009/06/05 - 23:32 GMT

"Bush probalby did more damage to America's credibility and foreign relation, then any other president."

That would be obama. You were close though.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/05 - 23:56 GMT

"Bush probalby did more damage to America's credibility and foreign relation, then any other president."

That would be obama. You were close though."

you really have no idea about how the world views the US, don't you?

do you have ANY idea how bad Bush has blundered?

and do you have ANY idea what obama's precedency alone TELLS the rest of the world about america?

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/06/06 - 0:44 GMT

"you really have no idea about how the world views the US, don't you?"

I have some ideas, I suspect we have a lot of critics and enemies. I can understand that on some points.

"do you have ANY idea how bad Bush has blundered?"

I have an idea, but he was not the worst.

"and do you have ANY idea what obama's precedency alone TELLS the rest of the world about america?"

I don't know, perhaps you could enrich me. I know what he has done in his presidency, thus far. And I have disagreed with practically everything he has done, thus far.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/06 - 1:13 GMT

"I have some ideas, I suspect we have a lot of critics and enemies. I can understand that on some points."

arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical

thats it in 3 words.

"I don't know, perhaps you could enrich me."

Amercia wanted change, and they got it. no more white republican who throws around epmty patriotism but who stands open for a thorough dipliomatic conversation, and doesn't start brandshing their military might when it want to impress.

by electing obama you sent a signal to the rest of the world that you realize how bad Bush screwed up, and how badly you need to fix it. true some things were unaviodable, but bush was so bloody wrong on so many levels when making decisions, it just boggles the mind or any semi world-wise person. you chose intellect and levelheadedness over ferverent explosive patriotism, discourse over fueding, long term over short term.

understanding over egocentrism.

this is just putting it into a few shallow words. it goes deeper then i can explain it with text.

9tails

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 10:19 GMT

"arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical"

So, I suspect we have a lot of critics and enemies, you think my opinion is "arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical". So, if you believe that America has critics, then you are arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical. Wow. I applaud your candid foolishness.

"Amercia wanted change, and they got it. no more white republican who throws around epmty patriotism and who stand open for a thorough dipliomatic conversation, and doesn't start brandshing their military might when it want to impress.

Yes, they got change, and it has caused nothing but trouble and corruption this country. This change is pushing this country closer to civil uprising or a civil war. I live here, I hear it everyday.

I like how you point out that 'white republicans' "who throws around epmty patriotism". Bah! That is nothing but crude fool matter, that is the kind of garbage that plagues this country and the world. Racism, socialism, anti patriotism and liberalism at it's roots.

I'll say again, I didn't support bush, he was a moron. Inernationally, he may have been the devil's advocate, but domestically he only sucked a little. But he was not nearly as bad as obama. Internationally, he may very well be sent from on high. But domestically, we are getting screwed, hard, violently, without lube.

Everytime I see his face on tv, I lose my doubt that he isn't intentionally trying to drive this country into the mud. Everything he does, his administration and his the bulk of socialist, liberal govenment, sucks. I should write a book mapping everything these people do and every government like them, and call the book, "How to kill the country you hate".

Allow history to demonstrate the conduct of these people and their policies. Fidel castro, for example, is barack obama 30 years ago.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 11:27 GMT

"So, I suspect we have a lot of critics and enemies, you think my opinion is "arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical". So, if you believe that America has critics, then you are arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical. Wow. I applaud your candid foolishness."

swing and a miss.

that is not at ALL what i replied to, i was "enriching" you on the large portion of global opinion of the US under the Bush administrion. which is what you indicated you where unsure of.

"I have some ideas, I suspect"

ACTUALLy this would be a my bad, as i did not specify this enough.

"around epmty patriotism and who stand open for a thorough dipliomatic conversation,"

WHOOPS typo

that should read

"around epmty patriotism but who stand open for a thorough dipliomatic conversation,"

"This change is pushing this country closer to civil uprising or a civil war. I live here, I hear it everyday."

and you know the overal sentiment from the entire US because? last time i checked you lived in a central US state and thought fox news is an objective news network. now doesn't seem to representative of the overall US sentiment to a foreigner like me.

"Everytime I see his face on tv, I lose my doubt that he isn't intentionally trying to drive this country into the mud."

now why you would think this of someone who ran for president is beyond me.

no sir, THIS is paranoia.

'Allow history to demonstrate the conduct of these people and their policies. Fidel castro, for example, is barack obama 30 years ago."

there are historically so many things wrong with that comparicon it' not even funny, for starters Fidel got to power via a coup, he was a communist. , ect.

"I'll say again, I didn't support bush, he was a moron."

which is irrelivent because the presedential race went between Mcain and Obama, it would have been either one of their jobs to fix the mess bush created. the question was, who to pick and how that would affect the US's standing in the rest of the world.

""who throws around epmty patriotism"."

you want to say that Mcain did NOT advocate for more all american "honour" in foreign diplomacy?

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 13:52 GMT

I honestly think obama will do a good job. He came to power at a bad stage tho, but his goals for the enviroment and lowering the cost for education and healthcare. Just because he wants a social "safety net" for poor and those in need you call that bad? If the states don't accept a small amount of socialism the system will only crash. I think that's one of the reasons why Obama got elected. He wanted to help the poor. Your system only favours those with money. Those who are rich get richer and those who are poor get poorer.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,032v

Posted 2009/06/06 - 14:08 GMT

"Those who are rich get richer and those who are poor get poorer."

somehtign they tend to gloss over with their all out capatalism "equal chances for all", which is a farce. you're gonna get a highly educated and rich upperclass, but an massive poor lower educated underclass.

and plz, the statistics don't lie, the wealth gap is enormous in the US.

while the wealth distribution forms a piramid shape.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

slighly out of date, but intersting nonetheless.

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/06/06 - 17:08 GMT

Well, as I am one of the poor, as all of my family. Redistribution of wealth would be good for my health. But that's where the cookie crumbles. Under communist states, it isn't the people that control or own the wealth, it is the state. The state owns and controls everything. I disagree with the state even having a footing in owning anything. The government has a purpose, and it isnt' to be a corporate nexus.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 17:12 GMT

"I disagree with the state even having a footing in owning anything. The government has a purpose, and it isnt' to be a corporate nexus."

right and a social democracy is a communist regime HOW?

last time i checked sweden still had private enterprise.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 17:32 GMT

dude we are a right-centre government and still our welfare system works. I might have said this before, but if my family would have been american and i was born i america i would prolly be on my familys fishing boat or something. Our system makes it possible for EVERYONE to study ANYTHING only judged by their work and not how much money their daddy gave to the univeristy last year...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Sweden
How sweden is governed:
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/9395
About sweden from american sources:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2880.htm

A quote from the last link:
"Sweden has an extensive child-care system that guarantees a place for all young children ages two through six in a public day-care facility. From ages seven to 16, children participate in compulsory education. After completing the ninth grade, 90% attend upper secondary school for either academic or technical education.

Swedes benefit from an extensive social welfare system, which provides childcare and maternity and paternity leave, a ceiling on health care costs, old-age pensions, and sick leave, among other benefits."

Conclusion: I FUCKING LOVE SWEDEN! :D

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

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Posted 2009/06/06 - 17:14 GMT

"Well, as I am one of the poor, as all of my family. Redistribution of wealth would be good for my health."

actually do you know HOW they'll "redistibute the wealth" ?

i'm curious as to how you think we do it in europe, and what people propose for the US.

9tails

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Posted 2009/06/07 - 11:45 GMT

It really doesn't matter. If someone wants to be fond of a socialist system, good.

I don't. I don't want the government involved in any aspect of my life. My family is well capable of thriving and being self sufficient. My family, is and should entitled to keep everything we have worked for.

Forget the government, the less government we have meddling in peoples business, the better. The government, originally, plays a role in mediating foreign affairs, structuring a military and co-operating functions with independent communites. But governments usually become centralized, too powerful and overstep their juristiction and become corrupt.

I am for individual freedom and independence. I am for social chivalry and vigilance. The state has no business doing most of the things it does.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

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Posted 2009/06/07 - 13:24 GMT

and that is why we should have social liberalism. The same liberal thoughts that america was founded on but with the government serveing the people when they want/need help, not in any other case. Is that so bad?

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