still can't believe that hovind confused an epoch with epic.....
i mean...COME ON!!!
not to mention he think you can keep expanding your thesis after you turned it in.....srly his phd should be confiscated and burned...
hovinds thesis
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Submitted By Ellman on 09/05/10
FreeHovind, Ellman, General
http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm
A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis by Karen Bartelt, Ph.D.
What do you guys think? I think this shows very clearly mr. Hovinds competence in science and should have the effect of all arguments coming from him become nullified.
EXAMPLES:
A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis by Karen Bartelt, Ph.D.
What do you guys think? I think this shows very clearly mr. Hovinds competence in science and should have the effect of all arguments coming from him become nullified.
EXAMPLES:
"The Ph.D. is in "Christian Education", not
"Education" - that's what the title page says. The coursework for the two
degrees is substantially different, but as late as 1-10-00, Hovind still seems loath to
advertising the "Christian" aspect of his degree. Curious that a Christian would
leave that part out!"
"Misspellings are rampant. A careful, knowledgeable editor/adviser would never allow a student to get away with misspelling "Caanan", "Voltair", "Nyles Eldridge", Madelyn Murray "O'Hare" (just like the airport), "Shintu" (the Japanese religion), "peersuaded", "centrifical" (force!!!), "aught" (to!), "disippated", "immerged" (from the slime), or "epic" (as in geological!). "It's" is used as a possessive pronoun. There are several non sentences. This is especially interesting since the course catalog of PU offers courses like "Refresher English" and "Mechanics of Composition"."
"The single illustration, the electromagnetic spectrum, is cut out of a science textbook and taped on; it does not fit the page. Additionally, there are substantial formatting errors typical of a draft, but not a final, version. The final version is printed on a dot-matrix printer, an absolute no-no, even in 1991."
"Misspellings are rampant. A careful, knowledgeable editor/adviser would never allow a student to get away with misspelling "Caanan", "Voltair", "Nyles Eldridge", Madelyn Murray "O'Hare" (just like the airport), "Shintu" (the Japanese religion), "peersuaded", "centrifical" (force!!!), "aught" (to!), "disippated", "immerged" (from the slime), or "epic" (as in geological!). "It's" is used as a possessive pronoun. There are several non sentences. This is especially interesting since the course catalog of PU offers courses like "Refresher English" and "Mechanics of Composition"."
"The single illustration, the electromagnetic spectrum, is cut out of a science textbook and taped on; it does not fit the page. Additionally, there are substantial formatting errors typical of a draft, but not a final, version. The final version is printed on a dot-matrix printer, an absolute no-no, even in 1991."
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thebiblewascompiledin325AD
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Posted 2009/05/10 - 15:35 GMT
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Well it's illegal in a lot of states and countries. i quote http://www.talusmusic.com/FOW/Pages/BibleInerrancyFAQ.html
"Because Mr. Hovind's doctoral degree is from Patriot University. Patriot University is on the list of unaccredited universities. It is a diploma mill. In many states, including Hovind's home state, using the title "Dr." is illegal."
He defenitly fits in jail.
"Because Mr. Hovind's doctoral degree is from Patriot University. Patriot University is on the list of unaccredited universities. It is a diploma mill. In many states, including Hovind's home state, using the title "Dr." is illegal."
He defenitly fits in jail.
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I am not aware of anywhere where it is illegal to use the title Dr. I could be wrong but I would have a problem with this...you can hand out degrees all day long if you wish...call yourself dr...whatever floats your boat. But yes..he does belong in prison. I really want a copy of this ph.d. dissertation...if anyone can get it for me I would be VERY grateful.
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It's illegal to claim your a dr or have a PHD if it's from a diploma mill. It is illegal to falsely claim a degree when you don't. That is what Hovind is doing. Patriot Bible University, formerly known as Patriot University, is an unaccredited fundamentalist Christian correspondence school. That is where Hovind got his "degree" and it was in christian education. I really don't know how to get a copy of his thesis, but i would really like to read it as well. I'm thinking of mailing the "university" to ask how you can get a copy of it.
also this shows the laws in florida for fake degrees
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0817/SEC567.HTM&Title=-%3E2002-%3ECh0817-%3ESection%20567
EDIT:
i found this on a site.
"In spite of numerous requests from various parties, Hovind has refused to allow anyone to see the dissertation, or Ph.D. thesis paper, that he often talks about when describing his credentials. Patriot University also does not provide access to his dissertation (or others), even though all major universities provide this access as standard procedure. Critics who have claimed to have been able to read Hovind's dissertation have extensively criticised it[3] for failing to present an actual thesis statement and supporting research. The paper appears to be well below college-level material in many respects. Also, it fails to fit the description Hovind ascribes to it as a thesis on teaching evolution in public schools."
also this shows the laws in florida for fake degrees
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0817/SEC567.HTM&Title=-%3E2002-%3ECh0817-%3ESection%20567
EDIT:
i found this on a site.
"In spite of numerous requests from various parties, Hovind has refused to allow anyone to see the dissertation, or Ph.D. thesis paper, that he often talks about when describing his credentials. Patriot University also does not provide access to his dissertation (or others), even though all major universities provide this access as standard procedure. Critics who have claimed to have been able to read Hovind's dissertation have extensively criticised it[3] for failing to present an actual thesis statement and supporting research. The paper appears to be well below college-level material in many respects. Also, it fails to fit the description Hovind ascribes to it as a thesis on teaching evolution in public schools."
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I stand corrected...
"I'm thinking of mailing the "university" to ask how you can get a copy of it."
I have already requested it...they claim they do not retain copies....interesting. I also requested it from CSE ministries. They claim likewise.
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I am not aware of anywhere where it is illegal to use the title Dr.
Ditto - but there are definitely legal repercussions for falsely claiming to be a medical doctor.
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Dr. Hovind is intelligent, articulate and witty. Some misplaced individuals dislike him because he advocates god. Neverminding the fact that they are on FREE HOVIND DOT COM. Fanatic? Yup, I think so.
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"Dr. Hovind is intelligent,"
no, and intelligetn person will not debate shit he doesn't understand.
and he clearyl doesn't understand science.
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"Dr. Hovind is intelligent, articulate and witty."
- If this is true then i am a fucking genious!
"Some misplaced individuals dislike him because he advocates god."
- Nope, i personally dislike him becuase he's full of shit. A fake, a fraud and a lying piece of crap.
"Neverminding the fact that they are on FREE HOVIND DOT COM. Fanatic? Yup, I think so."
- It's the only site where the most ignorant creationists are. Evidently this is the site to come to when you want a good laugh at humiliated creationists for their ignorance.
Do you 9tails belive mr. Hovind is above the law?
- If this is true then i am a fucking genious!
"Some misplaced individuals dislike him because he advocates god."
- Nope, i personally dislike him becuase he's full of shit. A fake, a fraud and a lying piece of crap.
"Neverminding the fact that they are on FREE HOVIND DOT COM. Fanatic? Yup, I think so."
- It's the only site where the most ignorant creationists are. Evidently this is the site to come to when you want a good laugh at humiliated creationists for their ignorance.
Do you 9tails belive mr. Hovind is above the law?
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Sir, NO ONE .... is above the law. (This is the part where you ponder and fail to realize that this is the cause for suffering, death and seperation from god).
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"817.567 Making false claims of academic degree or title.--
(1) No person in the state may claim, either orally or in writing, to possess an academic degree, as defined in s. 1005.02, or the title associated with said degree, unless the person has, in fact, been awarded said degree from an institution that is:
(a) Accredited by a regional or professional accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Commission on Recognition of Postsecondary Accreditation;
(b) Provided, operated, and supported by a state government or any of its political subdivisions or by the Federal Government;
(c) A school, institute, college, or university chartered outside the United States, the academic degree from which has been validated by an accrediting agency approved by the United States Department of Education as equivalent to the baccalaureate or postbaccalaureate degree conferred by a regionally accredited college or university in the United States;
(d) Licensed by the Commission for Independent Education pursuant to ss. 1005.01-1005.38 or exempt from licensure pursuant to chapter 1005; or
(e) A religious seminary, institute, college, or university which offers only educational programs that prepare students for a religious vocation, career, occupation, profession, or lifework, and the nomenclature of whose certificates, diplomas, or degrees clearly identifies the religious character of the educational program.
(2) No person awarded a doctorate degree from an institution not listed in subsection (1) shall claim in the state, either orally or in writing, the title "Dr." before the person's name or any mark, appellation, or series of letters, numbers, or words, such as, but not limited to, "Ph.D.," "Ed.D.," "D.N.," or "D.Th.," which signifies, purports, or is generally taken to signify satisfactory completion of the requirements of a doctorate degree, after the person's name.
(3)(a) A person who violates the provisions of subsection (1) or subsection (2) commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(b) In addition to any
penalty imposed under paragraph (a), a violator shall be subject to any
other penalty provided by law, including, but not limited to,
suspension or revocation of the violator's license or certification to
practice an occupation or profession."
so WHERE again was it NOT in the law?
if hovind claims he has a science degree (essentially claiming to be a scientist), he's lying and is punishable by law.
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So naive, tsk tsk.
DR. Hovind attended patriot university over a period of years, with enough accumulated hours to recieve a doctorate in christian education, in 1989. Patriot university awarded him the degree for his years of study. The institution is licensed to teach and distribute degrees on the basis of standardized learning. Don't patronize the man because he didn't pursue a doctorate in the evolution faith.
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"DR. Hovind attended patriot university over a period of years, with
enough accumulated hours to recieve a doctorate in christian education'
...do you think you earn a doctorate with just attending university for a period of time/???!
SRLY, GET A BIT ACQUINTED WITH ACADEMICS.
"Don't patronize the man because he didn't pursue a doctorate in the evolution faith."
i critizie him because he implies he knows science, when clearly he doens't and doesn't even have a degree in science.
whether it's biology, chemestry or physics I WOULDN'T CARE!. BUT HE JUST DOESN'T HAVE IT, OR AN UNDERSTANDING of the subjects.
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It's a diploma mill, you pay a small amount of money to get a degree and the requirements are way belowe standard. It's not official and never will be.
You don't need a license to teach something. Educational accreditation is a type of quality assurance process under which services and operations of an educational institution or program are evaluated by an external body to determine if applicable standards are met. If standards are met, accredited status is granted by the agency.
Not accredited = fake and illegal.
and his thesis is about evolutions effect on education and him TRYING to convince you of that it's a religion. If you read the dissertation you will find so many things wrong with what hovind wrote you're gonna lose all hope of humanity.
You don't need a license to teach something. Educational accreditation is a type of quality assurance process under which services and operations of an educational institution or program are evaluated by an external body to determine if applicable standards are met. If standards are met, accredited status is granted by the agency.
Not accredited = fake and illegal.
and his thesis is about evolutions effect on education and him TRYING to convince you of that it's a religion. If you read the dissertation you will find so many things wrong with what hovind wrote you're gonna lose all hope of humanity.
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Dr. Hovind is intelligent, articulate and witty.
Sure, if you're impressed by mediocre stand-up comedy and cheap, dog-and-pony show theatrics.
Some misplaced individuals dislike him because he advocates god.
Right, that must be why those godless heathens from Answers in Genesis & Answers in Creation have criticized him.
Neverminding the fact that they are on FREE HOVIND DOT COM. Fanatic? Yup, I think so.
Um, yeah - that's what happens when you have an open forum: people are free to post dissenting opinions to it. If that upsets you so much, you have three options:
1) Start your own forum where you're free to censor/moderate any dissenting opinions to your heart's content.
2) Find an existing forum that takes that approach (you know, like the CSE blogs - or the comments section for most creationist videos on youtube).
3) Whine and cry about like a baby who's lost his bottle.
But it appears that you've already chosen one of those options - can you guess which one?
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9tails are where you droped in the floor by your parents when you where little? We proved that mr.Hovind don't know what science is. How to use it. He's not a doctor, because he didn't meet the requirements for it. Therefore it's illegal and why would he be called "dr. Hovind" when he's not?
I mean you have to be so extremly ignorant to still think he's a doctor even if we gave you this material.
I mean you have to be so extremly ignorant to still think he's a doctor even if we gave you this material.
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Proof Hovind is a liar. Quoted of the dissertation of his thesis.
"It is almost unheard-of to advertise the length of one's Ph.D. dissertation. One is forced to conclude that by doing so, Hovind is attempting to dazzle his largely scientifically-illiterate audience with the large number of pages. However, there is no 250 page dissertation; when one subtracts the duplicated material, the document is 95-96 pages. The "I added material to it later" excuse is in the same league as "My dog ate my homework". Hovind demands empirical evidence for evolution, yet there is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that there ever was a 250 page dissertation! If a 250 page thesis exists, Hovind could silence his critics by producing a document of the purported length that was obviously written in 1991."
"It is almost unheard-of to advertise the length of one's Ph.D. dissertation. One is forced to conclude that by doing so, Hovind is attempting to dazzle his largely scientifically-illiterate audience with the large number of pages. However, there is no 250 page dissertation; when one subtracts the duplicated material, the document is 95-96 pages. The "I added material to it later" excuse is in the same league as "My dog ate my homework". Hovind demands empirical evidence for evolution, yet there is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that there ever was a 250 page dissertation! If a 250 page thesis exists, Hovind could silence his critics by producing a document of the purported length that was obviously written in 1991."
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"Ad hominem, shominem! No one, regardless of race, color, sex or religious background should be able to produce a work of this quality and claim an advanced degree. If Stephen Jay Gould had produced a thesis like this, I would be writing about him."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "Spelling errors that are typical of high school (but not college) writing are present in this document."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "The writing style, "popular" or not, is typical of high school-level writing, not college, and certainly not postgraduate. The writing style, as well as Hovind's lectures, are reminiscent of drive-by shootings, where many disjointed topics are presented in rapid-fire order (so as to not allow the reader or listener to really think about any particular topic)."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "It is certainly possible for a person to acquire expertise in a scientific field by studying that topic independently. However, such a person does not claim to have an advanced degree in the field. There is NO EVIDENCE that Kent Hovind has more than a college sophomore level of course work in ANY science. There is NO EVIDENCE from his thesis that he is widely-read in the areas of evolution, astronomy, geology, paleontology or even the history of science beyond what is written in a few young-Earth creationist books. There is ABUNDANT EVIDENCE that the requirements for a Ph.D. degree from Patriot University fall far below those of typical secular or religious institutions. "
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "Ask yourself whether you would visit a medical doctor, an auto mechanic, a plumber, or an investment counsellor with similar dubious credentials. If so, then Hovind is your science guy! Or see him for what he is, the snake-oil salesman, peddling salvation and pseudo science in the late 20th century and even unto the 21st century."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "Spelling errors that are typical of high school (but not college) writing are present in this document."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "The writing style, "popular" or not, is typical of high school-level writing, not college, and certainly not postgraduate. The writing style, as well as Hovind's lectures, are reminiscent of drive-by shootings, where many disjointed topics are presented in rapid-fire order (so as to not allow the reader or listener to really think about any particular topic)."
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "It is certainly possible for a person to acquire expertise in a scientific field by studying that topic independently. However, such a person does not claim to have an advanced degree in the field. There is NO EVIDENCE that Kent Hovind has more than a college sophomore level of course work in ANY science. There is NO EVIDENCE from his thesis that he is widely-read in the areas of evolution, astronomy, geology, paleontology or even the history of science beyond what is written in a few young-Earth creationist books. There is ABUNDANT EVIDENCE that the requirements for a Ph.D. degree from Patriot University fall far below those of typical secular or religious institutions. "
sciencemyass@ymail.com: "Ask yourself whether you would visit a medical doctor, an auto mechanic, a plumber, or an investment counsellor with similar dubious credentials. If so, then Hovind is your science guy! Or see him for what he is, the snake-oil salesman, peddling salvation and pseudo science in the late 20th century and even unto the 21st century."
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