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Submitted By DrWorm on 09/04/11
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Does the Hawiian island chain support a young or an old earth?

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Re: Hawiian Islands
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/11 - 10:09 GMT
old. no way so many island could be formed in 6000 years by a hot spot breaking through a moving plate.
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Re: Hawiian Islands
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/11 - 12:53 GMT

200 year old Hawaii volcanoe rock has been dated at millions and even billions of years old.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric%20Dating,%20and%20The%20Age%20of%20the%20Earth.htm
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Re: Hawiian Islands
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/11 - 13:28 GMT
ah yes... and your artcle goes on to say
 
"And since the only rocks which yield ages in excess of 100,000 years are of volcanic origin,"
 
which is not true.,. sedimentary layes dude.
 
oh and might that not have been another xenolith they dated in the lava?
it doesn't clarify enough on that.
 

"Table 1:  The following is a comparison between rocks of known age Vs radiometric "age."

  Rock Sample Obtained From  Known Age from  Historical 
     or Archaeological Data 
            Rocks Age from 
          Radiometric Dating
   Method 
     Used
  Sunset Crater, Arizona 7

1,900 yrs

210,000--230,000 yrs

     K/Ar
  Russian Volcano 8

24,000 yrs

50 m.---14.6 b. yrs

     K/Ar
  Mt Rangitoto, 
  New Zealand
9

3,300 yrs

485,000 yrs

     K/Ar
  Vulcan's Throne,  
  Grand Canyon
10

10,000 yrs max.

114,000--120,000 yrs

     K/Ar
  Hualalai Volcano, 
  Hawaii
11,12,13

200 yrs

140 m.---670 m. yrs

    Helium
  Hualalai Volcano, 
  Hawaii
11,12,13

200 yrs

160 m.---2.96 b. yrs

      K/Ar
  *Mt. Kilauea, Hawaii 14

200 yrs

0 yrs at 1400 
meters depth

      K/Ar
  *Mt. Kilauea, Hawaii 14

200 yrs

10-14 m.y. at 3420 
meters depth

      K/Ar
  *Mt. Kilauea, Hawaii 14

200 yrs

13-29 m.y. at 4680 
meters depth

      K/Ar

Note: Where abbreviations are used: b. = billion; and m. = million.
* The depth here refers to the depth below the surface of the water, since this volcano produced a lava 
    flow that  flowed down the mountain and  into the ocean.

Table 2:  The following is a comparison between different methods of dating rocks of unknown age.

Rock Sample 
Obtained From

Known Age 
from Historical or Archaeological Data 

Rocks Age from 
Radiometric Dating

Method
Used

 Salt Lake Crater, 
 Hawaii
15,16,17

                  Unknown

2.6 m.---140 m. yrs

Helium

 Salt Lake Crater, 
 Hawaii
15,16,17

                  Unknown

400,000---3.3 b. yrs

K/Ar

 Cubic Diamonds, 
 Zaire
18,19

                  Unknown

6,000,000,000 yrs

K/Ar

 KBS Tuff, 
 E. Turkana, Kenya 
20,21

                  Unknown

290,000---221 m. yrs

K/Ar

 KBS Tuff, 
 E. Turkana, Kenya 
22
                  Unknown

2,420,000 yrs

Fission
Track

 Cardenas Basalts, Bottom
 of  Grnd Canyn.
23,24,25,26
                  Unknown

715,000,000 yrs

K/Ar 
Isochron

 Cardenas Basalts, Bottom 
 of  Grnd Canyon.
23,24,25,26
                  Unknown

1.17 b. yrs

Rb/Sr 
Isochron

 Uinkaret Plateau, Top of  
 Grnd  Canyon 
23,24,25,26
                  Unknown

0.01--117 million yrs

K/Ar

 Uinkaret Plateau, Top of 
 Grand Canyon 
23,24,25,26
                  Unknown

1,340 million yrs

Rb/Sr 
Isochron

 Uinkaret Plateau, Top of
 Grnd Canyon 
23,24,25,26
                  Unknown

2,600 million yrs

Pb/Pb 
Isochron

 Morton gneisses, 
 Minnesota 
27
                  Unknown

2.5 billion yrs

K/Ar

 Morton gneisses, 
 Minnesota
27
                  Unknown

3.3 billion yrs

Ur/Pb

"Allende" Meteorite 28,29,30                   Unknown

3.91 b.--11.7 b. yrs

Ur/Th/Pb
Isochron

"Allende" Meteorite 28,29,30                   Unknown

4.49 b.--16.5 b. yrs

Ur/Th/Pb

 Moon Rocks 31                   Unknown

4.6 b.--8.2 b. yrs

Ur/Pb

 Moon Rocks 32

                  Unknown

2.3 -- 3.76 b. yrs

K/Ar

 Moon Rock (breccia) 33                   Unknown

123.8 -- 125.5 b. yrs

K/Ar

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Notice that most of the unknow age rocks arent volcanic.....and also notice that they don't need to have the same age.
 
and we already pointed out to you -_- you don't date contaminated rocks. and you try to use as many methods as possible.....the data the article provided horrible lacks the amount of data to discredit all the dates we got with the methods.
technically, these could all be anomolies you creationists are so fond of "mining".
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Re: Hawiian Islands
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/11 - 15:47 GMT
come to think of this.
 
"200 year old Hawaii volcanic rock has been dated at millions and even billions of years old."
 
that doesn't even support old OR young.....and neither does it discredit them. it's jsut bashing radiometric dating.
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Re: Hawiian Islands
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/12 - 3:32 GMT

It just shows how unreliable it is. Geologists usually have to know or guess how old a rock is before they can date it so they know what date to shoot for or what kind of dating method needs to be done. If they have no idea then they guess and go on faith of the RM dating tequnique.
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Re: Hawiian Islands
9 hours - 765v
Posted 2009/04/12 - 4:03 GMT
I'm still waiting for a response from a creationist explaining how the Hawaiian Islands suggest a young earth.
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Re: Hawiian Islands
3 days - 4,501v
Posted 2009/04/12 - 17:04 GMT
You'll probably be waiting a while. Judging from this forum, direct questions & requests for substantiation are effectively Creationist Kryptonite.
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Re: Hawiian Islands
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/12 - 9:50 GMT
"It just shows how unreliable it is. Geologists usually have to know or guess how old a rock is before they can date it so they know what date to shoot for or what kind of dating method needs to be done. If they have no idea then they guess and go on faith of the RM dating tequnique."
 
standard crap...
 
but also you fail to see how that does not in any way discredits the theories behind the formation of the islands. even when we don't know how old the rock is, we do know how the islands for (to a degree) and from that we can calculate how LONG it took them to form...which is well over 6000 years.


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