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Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Let's come together to stop the murders of infants.
Submitted By bigdog on 09/04/13
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Catholics and Christians, and all those who believe in the GOD of Abraham. Educate those who are ignorant on abortion. Science has proven that fetuses (unborn babies) feel pain during an abortion. Yet they have no voice and are the most helpless of the human-kind. We all have differences, but we can come together on this issue.

Here is a five part video series (5 minutes each) that will prove to you my claim. It is made to educate, but is very graphic containing actual abortions and murdered fetuses. It shows the sonogram of a fetus screaming while being aborted.

WARNING: This video contains graphic images which some may find disturbing. If you are a young person and have any doubts about viewing these videos, please check with your parents before proceeding any further.
http://www.silentscream.org/video1.htm

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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 3:18 GMT
I have been aware of the evidence for some time Big Dog and I do support you. I am totally against abortions of convenience.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 10:15 GMT
" It shows the sonogram of a fetus screaming while being aborted."
 
reading the first paragraph you imply that it screams in pain.
while screaming is just about the most natural reaction for any healthy newborn....
i'll look into the claim wheter is was out of pain.
PS: you mena ACTUAL pain rigth? not just any electrical impulse from the nervous system from external stimuly. like touch.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 17:32 GMT
Your assumption then would be of course that the fetus enjoyed this?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 18:38 GMT
enjoyed what? getting removed from the womb?
maby, or maybe it was pain, or maby is was just a kinda wierd bussing feeling. i think i'd need a better understanding of what exaclty pain is and when in the brains development it can be felt as 'pain". before i amke any conclusive statements like
"the fetus enjoyed this?"
or
"the fetus screamign in agony"
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 18:45 GMT
I watched every clip. This truly is murder. Thanks Bigdog. That gave me a reality check about how serious this really is. If anyone can watch every clip and still say this is ok, he she has no conscience.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 18:59 GMT

I agree. A reminder to all. Yes this is very graphic. If it was illegal to perform these acts I would not post this. But since it is legal I posted it to show how wrong and ignorant we have become. Some of the clips even show fetuses that are fully formed babies aborted and sitting in piles of bodies in buckets. But if we don't talk about it how will people know?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 20:11 GMT
"I watched every clip. This truly is murder. Thanks Bigdog. That gave me a reality check about how serious this really is. If anyone can watch every clip and still say this is ok, he she has no conscience."
 
can you watch a cow get butchered and still eat it?
yes? well some people can't.
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/13 - 21:02 GMT
wow that echofilm was brutal.
but damm that would be so cool to see the proces wiht an actual camera.
to see the soft part being torn of and the blood from the futus draining into the womb. at makes my want to put on a lab coat and find a less painfull, more cost efficient and less labour intensive way yot do it....
 
mmm adeno virus filled with DNA rescriptase and the kill cell gene...and then some labor inducins hormones to pump the sludge out....maybe that will work.
 
oh and that might also reduce the other risks associated with suction abortion. (like steralization and internal damage.
 
oh ya. a child has to be born to be part of a community. imo at least.
 
and i agree with the docter in the end. prevention of unnesecary pregancies (read NOT rape victims or health issues or mentally severly handicapped (yes i count down syndrome as that)).
CONDOMS FOR ALL!
 
but FUCK Abstinence! my sperm are MINE!
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/04/13 - 22:55 GMT
We all have differences, but we can come together on this issue.
 
Is that so? Well, since you begged the question, then WHY haven't you?
 
To repeat what I posted in the "Unity" thread (which I'll also note that you failed to respond to):
 
"doesn't that reflect incredibly-poorly on both Catholics and Protestants?
 
In essence, the message it sends is that both groups consider petty differences, based on conflicts that happened centuries ago, to be more important than (as you put it) the 'murder of millions of children.'
 
'Interesting' set of priorities, to say the least."
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 23:01 GMT
I think it’s a little too easy for men to claim the moral high ground and be anti-abortion. You never have to experience a 9 month pregnancy, the pain associated with childbirth, or the responsibility of either raising the child or giving it up for adoption.

For a man, choosing a position in the abortion debate is relatively simple. Do you like sex followed by killing an unborn child, or do you like sex followed by keeping a child alive? It’s pretty obvious why so many men choose the latter, and consider themselves anti-abortion. If all I had to do in order to make a baby was have sex, I’d probably be anti-abortion as well.

What you have to remember is that it’s completely different from the point of view of the woman. Most women, myself included, plan on having children at a point in their life when they are financially and emotionally capable of giving their child the upbringing he or she deserves. There are so many children that end up uneducated, malnourished or victims of abuse all because they don’t have a mother who can care for them properly.

The world is already overpopulated and I figure that if you plan on bringing another life into it, you need to be ready to take full responsibility for the child. Did you know that legalizing abortion actually lowers crime rates, because children grow up in healthy families instead of being raised by a 14-year-old single mother or in a foster home?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 23:06 GMT
Educate those who are ignorant on abortion.
 
How about you take your own advice and try to cure YOUR ignorance first?
 
What's that quote again? Something about removing the mote from your own eye, wasn't it?
 
I personally think that both sides of the pro-life/pro-choice debate completely miss the point - in the modern world, abortion should be completely unecessary. With readily-available education, information, and birth control, there really isn't any excuse - and I don't have to watch sensationalist propaganda to come to that conclusion.
 
But the sad irony is that it's those who put dogma ahead of practical matters who help make it necessary in the first place. The folks who rail against abortion on one hand - and then turn around and demand ineffective stupidity like "abstinence-only" sex education. Or the sort of people who serve as missionaries in Africa and take the attitude of "Well, it's true that you have the worst AIDS epidemic in the entire world. But DON'T EVEN THINK of wearing a condom or you'll make God angry!!!"
 
As far as I'm concerned, that is the absolute height of hypocrisy.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/13 - 23:11 GMT
I'd tend to agree. In the past, several people have made the point that the anti-abortion crusaders should volunteer to adopt, raise, and care for the children of women who would otherwise end up getting abortions. Assuming they truly believe what they say, at least.
 
As the saying goes, they should put their money where their mouths are - or STFU.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 2:50 GMT

Judging me and you don't even know me. Nice. I believe in birth control. I know some Catholics don't, but many of us have come together. My Church has fellowship with a local Catholic church. We live here as Americans and neighbors together. We vote for simialr issues. So it's just ignorant of you to judge me when you don't even know me. I also adopted my nephew. And I believe that we should use tax dollars to take care of unwanted children. Liberals say they care so much about people, but when it comes to unwanted babies it's seems that they think it's better to kill them. Instead we could do C-section births to take away the pain, and focus federal funding on caring for the babies. And the world is not over populated. If it's to populated where you are, move. After all who's going to take care of us when we get old? Who's going to pay for the social security? Who's going to take us to the doctor when we're old? GOD's social security plan was to have children and when we get old they take care of us. But we've been killing them off and at the same time wonder why we have a financial social security shortage.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 3:23 GMT
“Instead we could do C-section births to take away the pain”

Seriously? You think a c-section is less painful? The mother is often kept awake for the c-section because full anesthesia can be dangerous. Plus you end up with a massive scar and possible muscle damage in the lower abdomen. C-sections are by far the more painful alternative. And I don’t think the main motive for abortions is being scared of the pain.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 5:10 GMT
Actually as a social worker in Canada I can tell you there is a long waiting list for babies and many anti abortionists would gladly take in a child. The stats do not support your argument but we hear the same dead arguments every time this issue comes up.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 14:41 GMT

Interesting Kent. Abortion also has side-effects that pro-abortionists don't want you to know about. My wife had a C-section and she is doing fine. They put her to sleep because she was so scared. My son has been a blessing. I get my nephew in July. I'm excited about it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 15:21 GMT
"Interesting Kent. Abortion also has side-effects that pro-abortionists don't want you to know about."
 
ehm no? doctors are REQUIRED to tell the patient all the side effects. or they can sue for malpractice.
 
"My wife had a C-section and she is doing fine."
 
one thing doesn't make a rule.
 
"They put her to sleep because she was so scared."
 
one thing doesn't make a rule.
there are certain riks when perforing a C section under full narcosis. not to mention the actual consequences of the incisions.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarean_section
 
"My son has been a blessing. I get my nephew in July. I'm excited about it."
 
good for you.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/14 - 17:13 GMT

Yes. There are risks in a C-section and there are risks in an abortion. So why should we choose to kill. The government should promote adoption and help out with unwanted children, if they really care about people.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/14 - 18:11 GMT
or you should not HAVE unwanted children and give kids a DECENT SEX ED CLASS!.
condoms for all.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/14 - 20:04 GMT

I personally believe that contraceptives are O.K. And sex eduacation classes should be taught with parent signature only.
But that is not the subject. The subject is; should we allow the continued killing of babies?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 20:14 GMT
imo yes.
 
as long as it is done within very specific parameters.
like a age limit..
and well that's pretty much all i require.
it's her body. it's her body the child is leeching from. she controlls the resources and the child future. she gets to decide what to do.
 
but still. solve the root, not the consequence.
PS i vote against parental consent on sex ed. IF YOU WON"T TEACH EM, WE WILL.
 
because THAT is the biggest problem with mandatory sex ed. if they get some crappy info from their parents who understand little on sex ed themselves, it could hurt the children. and the good comprehensive sex ed (NOT abstinance!) deals with all the important things.
hormones, contraception, relation building, what is sexuality, anatomy.
 
and sometimes they good schoold throw in "what is gender" just to give the kids some more understanding.
 
but again. if you won't teach little sally about boys and girls when she start puberty, it's YOUR fault she ends up with baby becasue she didn't know she was ovulating or how to use a condom. (k that's a little over simplified)
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/14 - 20:54 GMT
“The government should promote adoption and help out with unwanted children, if they really care about people.”

From the point of view of the mother, adoption is not an alternative to abortion. She would still need to go through the pregnancy, which means nine months of pills, tests and a controlled diet. The sad thing is that many young mothers who get pregnant by mistake don’t bother to take prenatal vitamins or give up cigarettes, alcohol and even drugs. Yeah, abortions are sad. But you know what’s even sadder? Seeing a newborn baby with a cocaine addiction, or with fetal alcohol syndrome. No amount of education will stop this kind of thing from happening. It may dramatically reduce the frequency, but it will never stop it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/15 - 5:46 GMT

Considering unwanted babies that are mentally retarted and drug addicted; There are still many people that would take care or pay for the care. America is the most generous giving country in the world and the most wealthy. We could federally care for the unwanted and I know many people would donate. But you guys just say kill. They do feel pain when being killed.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/15 - 7:08 GMT
"We could federally care for the unwanted and I know many people would donate."
 
would people want to pay tax for them? because back in NL we actually DO that for teh retarded. at least to some degree.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/15 - 16:49 GMT
Bigdog,

First of all, why are you bringing up abortion? It seems a bit off the beaten path given this is normally where we explain the exidence supporting evolution and you say "nuh-uh". Did something bring this to your mind?

Secondly, why would you think that athiests are necessarily pro abortion? I ask because you list religious groups at the exclusion of others. Just because someone doesn't have a religious objection doesn't mean one cannot have a moral objection. See the difference is we use reason to determine what is right and wrong and not try to extrapolate things which were not listed in a Bronze Age text. According to the Old Testament there is nothing wrong with abortion for instance. I can give you the verse that covers a forced abortion if you would like.

I need to watch the rest so I can see how pain is proven and not just a response to stimuli but I don't know that it is relevent. Legal abortion does not make more abortions. Lack of sex education and lack of contraception are what lead to abortions both legal and illegal.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/15 - 22:44 GMT

Those who believe like I do know why I have posted this. It's simply to bring awareness. I'd like to see the verse that you say legalized abortion. I think that I know what you are referring to. But please post it anyway.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 1:21 GMT
To bring awareness to what? I think everyone understands the implications of abortion, and would agree that death should be avoided to the greatest extent possible. It’s not like atheists are somehow missing the point or supporting murder. There’s a reason it’s called pro-choice and not pro-abortion.

But the point is that we don’t have enough resources on this planet to sustain the human population, considering the rate at which it’s increasing. You need to look at the big picture sometimes. Instead of tax dollars funding foster homes where children grow up feeling worthless and expressing their anger through crime (I’m not being stereotypical, the statistics are very real), they could go towards cancer research or the development of new medical technology.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 3,596v
Posted 2009/04/16 - 3:14 GMT
I never actually said legalize. It just didn't criminalize it.

Exodus 21:22-5
And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Killing a fetus is not a crime to be punished but a civil matter. Only if there is injury to the person is there a crime.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 4:40 GMT

Exodus 21:22-5

The striker in this verse is still fined, just as doctors practicing abortions should be. First offense they should be fined. Second time they should lose their license. I would create a 'No Casting of Stones Act' to protect the women caught in the act since they have been brainwashed to think it's O.K. It's amazing however that California laws are tougher than the old testament. In California if you kill a woman and the baby dies you get double homicide. But abortion is not considered murder in the same state. Doesn't make sense. But that's liberalism.

I've heard the 'not enough resources' line before. We could plant plenty of vegetables to feed people. That's still not a good reason to kill. "There's not enough resources so maybe kill them" doesn't sound convincing. I know a very rich man who I believe is a genious at what he does. He was raised in an orphanage and treats his family very well. So I still believe that we should give them a chance. Let them decide, when they grow up, if they want to live or not.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 4:52 GMT
“We could plant plenty of vegetables to feed people.”

Doesn’t work like that. Industrial scale farms require massive amounts of fertilizer, and fertilizer is made with fossil fuels. Which are not a renewable resource. And yes, I’m sure there are many happy, healthy children who are raised by foster parents. But the statistics show that generally, foster care is more likely to result in children with emotional problems in comparison to children raised by their mother and father.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 5:02 GMT

So you don't believe there's a chance for them so just kill them huh? I thought you liberals believed in spreading the wealth around? We're killing off the future doctors and caretakers of the world.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 14:17 GMT
"The striker in this verse is still fined, just as doctors practicing abortions should be."
 
but appearently from the verse you can intperpret that it is for hittign the woman, not causing the miscarriage.
 
"We could plant plenty of vegetables to feed people"
food is a recource
resources=/= food.
 
but the bigger problem is that the distibution just isnt there, and at the way america and the western worlds keeps going at it, it won't be there for another 100 years or so.
 
"Second time they should lose their license."
 
for a perfectly common medical procedure? well as long as the don't commit malprctice. like not informing of the risks of suction abortion to the uteris.
 
"I would create a 'No Casting of Stones Act' to protect the women caught in the act since they have been brainwashed to think it's O.K."
 
well. that would be brainwashing them your opinion that it is NOT O.K.
 
"In California if you kill a woman and the baby dies you get double homicide. But abortion is not considered murder in the same state."
 
well that does seem paradoxal, it's quite easy to grasp.
there is a difference in murdering someone (with malicious intent) and then having their unborn child die as a concequence (which the murders would have know would happen).
and between not choosing to give birth to a child out of love( oh YES that can be a motivvation, or do you find forcing on that child a abnormal life unloving?) /responsibility/pity/health riks.
that is... when she seeks the proper medical attention and has the good reasons for it.
 
if whe where to say....commit a home abortion just because she hated the child and wanted to kill it (note* difference in motivation), then i would say it counts as murder. or manslaughter to say the least.
however there is ofcourse still the dilemma that that would be a SELF INFLICTED INJURY, and so withing her rigths to perform. it's her body the fetus is leeching of. not the fetus' own.
 
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 14:18 GMT
"foster care is more likely to result in children with emotional problems in comparison to children raised by their mother and father."
 
and i would be a living testamet to that.
having been raised by a type of foster parents from 11-16.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 14:20 GMT
"We're killing off the future doctors and caretakers of the world."
 
AND the criminals, corrupt bankers, dictators soldier ect...
it's not just the good people who get born...
 
really, appeal to emotion.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 14:21 GMT
Abortion against the woman's will results in a fine. Think that through.

God is the biggest abortionist as most pregnancies end in miscarriage. If you believe that life begins at conception then there are some issues you should have with God. Then again we know you don't try to understand a capritious God that demands worship and threatens you with eternal torment if you fail to bow down.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 17:16 GMT
“So you don't believe there's a chance for them so just kill them huh?”

That’s not what I believe at all. I believe that the mother should have the right to decide the fate of her unborn child. A fetus is not an autonomous being; it is growing using the nutrients from her body, and the oxygen in her blood. If she feels that she is not capable of maintaining a healthy pregnancy and raising or finding people to raise her child, then getting an abortion should be an available option.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/16 - 20:17 GMT
Judging me and you don't even know me. Nice.
 
I apologize if that was the impression my post gave - but judging you  wasn't my intent.
 
And excuse me, but when has judging people you don't know ever been a problem for you? E.g., your constant accusations that just about everyone here is a sock-puppet account of Joe's, or the "lying gay man" comment you made to 325ad?
 
I believe in birth control [...] I also adopted my nephew.
 
And I'll freely admit that I think that's comendable.
 
And I believe that we should use tax dollars to take care of unwanted children.
 
But isn't that an example of the dreaded "s" word (socialism)?
 
Liberals say they care so much about people, but when it comes to unwanted babies it's seems that they think it's better to kill them.
 
Please. I doubt you can cite a single liberal who advocates killing unwanted babies. Whatever you or I might think of abortion, equating it with "killing babies" is just clouds the issue - and cheapens true instances of infanticide.
 
And the world is not over populated.
 
Eh? What does that have to do with it? Unless you swallow Hovind's absurd conspiracy theories about the "One-world government that wants to reduce the human population."
 
That said, most of the ecological evidence I've seen indicates that Earth is capable of sustainably supporting a human population of around 2-400 million. So from that perspective I'd say that, yeah, the world is over-populated.
 
If it's to populated where you are, move.
 
Except for the fact that the people who live in the most over-populated areas are also the ones who are least-likely to have the luxury of moving elsewhere.
 
GOD's social security plan was to have children and when we get old they take care of us.
 
Frankly, I've seen a much bigger urban vs. rural divide on that matter - irrespective of religious beliefs (or lack thereof).
 
But we've been killing them off and at the same time wonder why we have a financial social security shortage.
 
Again, I've seen no indications that it has anything to do with abortion - or religious beliefs. E.g., my maternal grandparents lived in a fairly large city (Toronto) - and two of their children lived in the same city, one being a devout Catholic AND a registered nurse. Yet the only person willing to look after them (as opposed to dumping them in a nursing home) was my mother, who lived in a fairly-impoverished rural area halfway across the country, and hasn't been a practicing member of any church for more 50 years now.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/17 - 3:05 GMT

The fetus (baby) still feels as much pain as a one day new born.
So what's the difference from killing a new born to a 5 month fetus?

Did you see the videos I put? They show each stage of the fetus.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/17 - 5:07 GMT
I assume, bigdog, you are aware that the church supports the reality of common decent?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/17 - 6:30 GMT
A fetus does not have a fully developed nervous system until the third trimester of pregnancy, long after an abortion is possible. It may feel some pain, but probably not very much. Definitely not as much as a newborn baby would feel.

And the difference between a newborn baby and a fetus, as I already said, that a fetus is dependant on the mother and not self-sustaining. The fetus is literally a part of the mother’s body, and she should have control over her own body.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/17 - 6:35 GMT
"The fetus (baby) still feels as much pain as a one day new born.
So what's the difference from killing a new born to a 5 month fetus?"
 
AH! what is pain?
and can we already tell that it IS the sensatiion of pain we adults feel?
we'll need to w8 untill neurological embryology gives us evidence before we can accept your statement "they feel pain LIKE we do."
 
and again: showing some development =/= developed ot the least bit of selfsufficiency.
 
for one, they still gotto leech of the mother via the placenta, untill they are born.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/18 - 0:27 GMT

Well we can see the baby screaming during the abortion in the 'Silent Scream Video.'
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/18 - 6:05 GMT
"Well we can see the baby screaming during the abortion in the 'Silent Scream Video.""
 
like i said....a baby is instictively inclined to scream at ANYTHING. not per se somehtign that hurts. does that prove pain? no. is it a solid indicator that iseels pain? no. is it a indicator that the child knows somehtign is going on? yes, although i mights want to recheck that with embryology.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/18 - 14:55 GMT
Come together just for a while...when we are done we can go back to killing each other.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/18 - 17:52 GMT
A fetus doesn’t have functioning lungs. The fetus in the video opens its mouth... which tells us absolutely nothing. When a baby cries immediately after being born, it’s the result of a reflex- the purpose of which is to circulate oxygen through its lungs. The reflex to cry does not kick in until after birth, and for a good reason. If it were to happen earlier, the baby would drown.

That video has the sole purpose of appealing to emotion. Referring to the fetus as “the child” and claiming that the fetus is able to scream are great tactics to convince the viewer that abortion is bad. However that doesn’t make the video scientifically valid.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/19 - 2:19 GMT

We can see the baby fighting to get away from the knife. In the scream motion the babies mouth is wide open. If you put a knife to a baby in or out of the womb it will hurt.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/19 - 9:44 GMT
"We can see the baby fighting to get away from the knife."
 
knife?
look at the movie again.
the didn;t use a knife.
they used different tools to WIDEN the opening of the uterus. then they put in the suction tube. which isnt sharp..
 
"In the scream motion the babies mouth is wide open."
 
you do know that that doesn't mean it's screaming? a baby opens its mouth quite often in the later stages of pregancy. and it just to "practice breathing"
 
 
"If you put a knife to a baby in or out of the womb it will hurt."
 
AGAIN. IS IT PAIN? or just undefined impulses (its feels SOMETHING but not nesscesarily pain).
now ok i'll give it to you on a 7,5+ month fetus (although im not sure). but i won't give you a 24 week fetus without sufficent evidence.
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/19 - 20:59 GMT
Thanx for this video. I was searching stuff on the internet and found this site. I'll use that link "the silent scream" for my paper i'm doing in my communications class. I can put it on the powerpoint for everyone to see. I watched it last night.I was sick to my stomach after seeing the babies piled up bodys. But I'm trying to convince my class that abortion is murder. This one girl in my class says they shoudnt kill murderers in prison and should get rid of the death penalty. But says keep abortion legal. Kill innocent babys but keep murders alive? Don't make sense to me. Im with you on this.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/19 - 21:16 GMT
sigh*
it all boils down to this question.
 
fetus=fully devolped and social human being?
or
fetus< fully developed and social human being?
 
from a biologiccal stand point.
2
 
a fetus isnt the same as a fully developed "murder"
 
2nd porblem.
motivation:
 
WHY do people have an abortion?
well its NOT just because it's "convenient".
its not the same as the deathpenalty that's for sure.
 
that is something you PROBABLY should mention in your PP.
you should probably also mention the fetusses that are left from IVF procedures that are used for stemcell research. WITH the "parent's" concent!
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/20 - 3:32 GMT

Good for you for showing this to your class my Catholic brother. Can you really admit 365 that the piled up holocaust of babies bodies in buckets doesn't bother you?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/20 - 3:51 GMT
“Kill innocent babys but keep murders alive?”

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it yet again: The fetus is part of the mother’s body. I believe in personal rights, and I think women should have control over their own bodies. You can’t compare the two scenarios.

And just a random side thought...don’t Catholics believe that contrary to being innocent, babies are born with sin that must be cleansed at baptism? That’s what I recall learning, during my years in Catholic school.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/20 - 5:05 GMT

I'm not going to speak for a Catholic, but what you are referring to really means that we are born rebellious. We are born with the capability to sin. Kids are mischeavious naturally. Babies go to Heaven if they die. Jews believe we are not accountable until 12 for girls, because you mature faster and 13 for boys. Then we are accoubtable to GOD.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/20 - 8:15 GMT
"Good for you for showing this to your class my Catholic brother. Can you really admit 365 that the piled up holocaust of babies bodies in buckets doesn't bother you?"
 
ever been to a morge or hospital?
 
or ever been to a taxadermist? (someone who stuffs animals)
 
or have you ever seen a dead body?
 
nooo, it's just a couple of dead bodies in buckets. (why they are in buckets and not in a coolingcell, is beyond me)
 
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/20 - 8:21 GMT
"I'm not going to speak for a Catholic, but what you are referring to really means that we are born rebellious. We are born with the capability to sin. Kids are mischeavious naturally. Babies go to Heaven if they die. Jews believe we are not accountable until 12 for girls, because you mature faster and 13 for boys. Then we are accoubtable to GOD."
 
 
wooooow. wtf is baptizing about then>?
or all that "we are born with original sin because of the "fall"".
as far as i've hear that is THE reason why evangelicas want to convert you as fast as possible.
 
but the irony is. that if that is so (for some christians) that the "innocent babies" arguemtns is agross hypocracy (not to mention a fallacy because a baby=/= fetus.)
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/20 - 18:08 GMT

Catholics baptize babies, and I don't judge that but we believe that the a person should decide when they want to be baptized. But regardless of our differences, thanks to all Catholics for coming together on this issue. We are born in the flesh and naturally rebel against the spirit. That's what it means born in sin. But yes babies are innocent. To call them a fetus is demeaning.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/20 - 19:28 GMT
" That's what it means born in sin. But yes babies are innocent."
WHAAAAT?
we are born in sin, but babies are innocent.
now THATS a contradiction.
arent you guilty of sinnign when you are born in sin?
*even when you count a potential to rebel against the lord as a "sin" you still call it a "sin and the "child" (or before birth fetus) IS therefore guilty of sin, and not innocent.
 
"To call them a fetus is demeaning."
 
you might find so, but any doctor or a person with a basic understanding of biology will not even think of calling a fetus a child, without soem damm good evidence that is.
 
fetus defenition:
"an unborn or unhatched vertebrate in the later stages of development showing the main recognizable features of the mature animal."
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
(BEFORE IT IS A FETUS IT IS CALLED AN EMBRYO. WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF ABORTIONS ALSO REMOVE)
there. your statement is now officially a opinion which carries no weight in a discussion whatsoever.
 
and STILL i would like to remind you.
over all GOD is the biggest child killer.
statistically more children are aborted by the mothers own body, or perish on their own then are removed via abortion by  a third party.
 
to claim abortion is bad because we kill "god's ALLOWED LIFE" is kind of hypocritical because you say nothign about god "killing of all the other life just because he apperantly doesn't want it.
 
 
(OOOOH THATS A CHRISTIAN SITE>>>>> THE IRONY>)
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/22 - 16:57 GMT

Born in sin meaning the flesh which is antagonistic to the spirit.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/22 - 17:18 GMT
"Born in sin meaning the flesh which is antagonistic to the spirit."
 
k.
so that is what evangelicals mean when they say everyone is born with orininal sin, and so all MUST be brought to christ, or they'll burn in hell for all eternity?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/22 - 17:49 GMT

When we become accountable for our sins as young adults we began to commit sins, like lust and lying and things like that. Or thoughts that are selfish and so on. GOD says that every sin must be paid for.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/22 - 21:33 GMT
so..i could lie and kill and sin all i want till i'm 13.....and god wouldn't mind? or do we like...save em up, which makes little sense, as then we can sin, but not pay it of as children, which begs the question. WHY?
 
 
"Or thoughts that are selfish and so on."
 
you do know that children are just about the most selfish humans there are, don't you? thats what you get when you have little awareness of consequences.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/23 - 2:30 GMT

Good point. Yes children have a selfish nature. That is what we call the sinful nature. That's why we are taught how to do right, even though we know deep down when we do something wrong. GOD will be the judge. We don't know what the youngest age of a person will be that is judged. To whom much is given, much is required.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/23 - 15:03 GMT
"We don't know what the youngest age of a person will be that is judged."
 
HOW THE HELL DO YOU CLAIM TO KNOW THEN THAT ALL BABIES GO TO HEAVEN!?!?!
 
QUIT pulling crap out of your ass, and then pretending like you didn't say it....
 
and a question.
Is having a sinfull nature a sin?
 
"To whom much is given, much is required."
 
can you tell that to all the people who prayed so much to god to save their loved ones, but it all was in vain?
 
"That's why we are taught how to do right, even though we know deep down when we do something wrong."
 
actually disagree.
if i never teach my child that it is wrong to steal, and i never show him the consequences, or he doesn't understand them, he will NOT feel he did somethign wrong.
that is where "child ignorance" comes into play.
we don't know somethign is wrong, untill someone tells us it is....and hopefully WHY.
 
granted, there are soemthings that we inherently can realize as wrong, but that is STILL granted by a stimulus, buried deep in our brains. a stimulace system that has an evolutionary benefit, and can malfunction when you have a brain deformity.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/24 - 2:06 GMT

Verses from the Bible show that babies do go to Heaven. This may help you.
http://www.slideshare.net/fbchenderson/salvation-1-do-babies-go-to-heaven-when-they-die
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/04/30 - 0:21 GMT
that is a sick video bigdog. I cant believe people think that is ok. that ripped my heart when I saw thos dead babys. we cant compare abortion to sluaghter houses of animals. people are above animals as long as its to eat. I wil pass this one out man. Yes we can come together on this.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/30 - 0:51 GMT
"people are above animals as long as its to eat"
 
you can eat just about any thing that consists of carbs, fats, protien and water...and that doesn't have a large concentration of toxins in it..
 
ever eaten insects? worms? dog? beef? grains? fruits? mushrooms?
 
"I cant believe people think that is ok. that ripped my heart when I saw thos dead babys."
 
you do realize that they put those pictures in there for EXACTLY that reason, don;t you?
 
btw maybe you should look at what doctors have to learn, or what happens in civil wars....them babies will probably be a little less effective then.
 
"we cant compare abortion to sluaghter houses of animals"
 
fully agreed, since we don't abort babies witht he intention of eating them.
 
but when you show aborted fetuses, the reality is that in essence it's just the same as showing corpses in a morge, or carcasses in the slaghter house (even though they have their organs removed).
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/04/30 - 2:35 GMT

365, I do not believe that you are playing with a full deck of cards. If you know what I mean. Maybe you should see a phsychiatrist?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/04/30 - 9:12 GMT
"
365, I do not believe that you are playing with a full deck of cards. If you know what I mean. Maybe you should see a phsychiatrist?"
 
why? because i see organism as a collection of organic molecules?
 
either say WHY i'm insane, or don't call me insane.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/05 - 17:07 GMT
"When we become accountable for our sins as young adults we began to commit sins, like lust and lying and things like that. Or thoughts that are selfish and so on. GOD says that every sin must be paid for."

No wonder you're and asshole. I would be an asshole to everyone else if i couldn't feel lust for my dearest.


Btw, what if the woman gets raped. Is it not enough that she has to go through that experience, but she have to be reminded of it for 9 months. The suffering and pain she feels justifies abortion for my part. Can't even imagine it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 4:22 GMT

We are supposed to lust for our wives, but we have to learn self control from looking at others. Would it be right if some guy was staring at your wife? Of course not! It is wrong.

As for rape. The only conditions for abortion are rape and if the life of the mother is in danger. I still don't like it, but that's the only justifiable case in my opinion. Did you see the dead babies bodies piled in buckets? Do you call that O.K.? Here's the video again. http://www.silentscream.org/video1.htm
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 8:47 GMT
"Did you see the dead babies bodies piled in buckets? Do you call that O.K.?"
 
do you *APPEAL TO EMOTION*, do you *APPEAL TO CONSIENCE*.
 
"Would it be right if some guy was staring at your wife? Of course not! It is wrong."
 
well hell i can't be mad at him for having urges, he's human after all. as long as he doesn't make a move its fine by me. oh and imo women aren't treasure that have to be guarded.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 16:50 GMT
you know its bad they have them in buckets, they should use them for stemcell research instead and not throw them away =)

If you call a clump of cells life and it is murder to destroy it then you can only be a hypocrite if u use antibiotics and shot an animal. no Difference! Humans > animals is not correct, humans = animals is correct. deal with it accept it. For being the first liberal state in the whole world americans really only accept thoughts if they say the same as them. You should never decide what other people should do bigdog and that is why abortion should be a choice and legal if the woman want's it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 17:02 GMT

What if a baby is born and the mother decides afterwards that she wants to dispose of him/her? What is your opinion?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 17:10 GMT
well there is a clear line, birth. And we do have restrictions on how far the pregnancy have to go until you cannot do an abortion and that is good. But still you should never force other people to do things they don't want because of YOUR belief.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/05 - 4:28 GMT
So should the baby have a choice?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/05 - 13:56 GMT
"So should the baby have a choice?"
 
the baby's is incapable of of supporting itself for a better part of the pregnancy, let alone being capable of making a well tought out decision about it's future place in the world or the consequences of her defects.
 
ronnie, this approach is just mindboggolingly shortsighted.
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/12/06 - 4:15 GMT
don't forget that it can't take care of itself for a couple of years after birth. Life and death is just a part of nature. We just have to accept that it is. And if I'm not mistaken someone before did the remark of god being the worst aborter of them all. Why didn't they get a choice? Doesn't sound very logical tbh.

Where in the bible does it say that abortion is wrong? And if pro-life means suffering and pain is it not worth having the option to lower the suffering? For example the little girl in brazil who got raped by a priest and was 2 young to be able to survive giving birth. They got banned from the church for doing the abortion, but the priest still got to keep his job. There's no justice in religion and religious propaganda. You might think it's wrong, but that doesn't give you the right to impose your thoughts on others. I guess the majority of the ppl on this forum live in a free country. So what happened to the "you stick to your things and I'll stick to mine"?


NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION! We don't want them to happen, but if it's necessary it should be avalible. That's why it's called "pro-choice".
now STFU ronnie you got nothing to say or even add to this discussion we ended months ago!
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/12/12 - 21:15 GMT
So should the baby have a choice?
 
You might want to look up the concept of "informed consent," particularly how it applies to minors.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/12/12 - 21:19 GMT
NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION! We don't want them to happen, but if it's necessary it should be avalible. That's why it's called "pro-choice".
 
And, ironically, the Pro-Lifers have helped ensure that abortions will occur - since they're usually the same people who push for absurd "abstinence-only" sex education, who oppose the use of birth control, etc
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/14 - 5:34 GMT
What does that have to do with the baby? I'm not talking about the mother.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/12/14 - 15:41 GMT
What does that have to do with the baby? I'm not talking about the mother.
 
*Sigh* Let me spell it out for you. You asked "So should the baby have a choice?" From a legal standpoint, an infant is obviously a minor. A minor, by definition, cannot give informed consent. Until they reach adulthood, consent can only be given by the parent/guardian.
 
That's the reason why things like infant circumcision are still legal.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/14 - 19:01 GMT
So should a baby outside the womb have a choice? Should the parents be able to choose death for the baby if circumstances are too tuff?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/14 - 21:25 GMT
¨So should a baby outside the womb have a choice?¨
 
...you completely missed the point didn you.
as long as it is minor..
 
¨Should the parents be able to choose death for the baby if circumstances are too tuff?¨
 
they certainly are capable of, but if the rest of us find out, we put the enfant into social services, or the parents don have the heart, and put the child up for adoption. that´s what happens in the 3rd world you know...that, or they sell it into slavery.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/17 - 1:46 GMT
The question was should the parents legally be allowed? Not, are they capable. Should the parents legally be allowed to put a one day old baby to death simply because they realize they cannot take care of it. What is the Dudes answer also?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/17 - 11:33 GMT
"The question was should the parents legally be allowed?'

they already are.
as sci pointed out to your first question. as long as the child is a minor, he has no choice in the matter.
and as long as the fetus isn't self sufficient (eg the during the period you can, and most women have, abortions) the parents are entirely in charge.

"Should the parents legally be allowed to put a one day old baby to death simply because they realize they cannot take care of it."

aah, one day old baby?
nope, they aren't.
But that is entirely unrelated from abortions, something you don't seem to understand.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/17 - 22:38 GMT
The problem is that when the baby is in the womb abortion supporters see the baby as fair game even after they know that they are devoloped. In the video Bid Dog put you can see the baby trying to get away from the destructive instruments being used to dismember him/her.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 0:11 GMT
Should the parents be able to choose death for the baby if circumstances are too tuff?
 
Um, what? Not under any legal system I'm aware.
 
(Yes, I realize that you're attempting to use the Socratic method, but you're doing such a piss-poor job that I can't be bothered to play along)
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
3 days - 4,497v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 0:27 GMT
The problem is that when the baby is in the womb abortion supporters see the baby as fair game even after they know that they are devoloped.
 
Are you seriously trying to imply that there's no difference between a 5-month old fetus and a 1-day old infant?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 1:42 GMT
Ben. Thanks for teaching me the socratic method, but you still don't fool me into believeing that you are a "doctor of science." You're a fake and an idiot.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 2:33 GMT
1. There is no such thing as a baby in the womb. Its a baby when its born. A baby can never be aborted and if its killed its a work for the justice department.
2. ronnie stick to the point and stop with the personal attacks. You dont add anything to a discussion by talking bs about your opponent.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/18 - 3:00 GMT
My bad. I just don't take being scolded by a fraud. So two days before the "fetus" is born it's fine to kill him huh?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/18 - 15:17 GMT
No it's not, i think the limit is for when the fetus can surive outside the womb. I think the legal limits for abortion is just that limit.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/18 - 19:36 GMT
¨The problem is that when the baby is in the womb abortion supporters see the baby as fair game even after they know that they are devoloped. In the video Bid Dog put you can see the baby trying to get away from the destructive instruments being used to dismember him/her.¨
 
and you obviously did not read my response to that.
so what if the fetus instinctively tries to get away from a foreign object? so what if the fetus dies and is aborted by the injection of a medical abortion.
 
THAT IS ENTIRELY IRRELIVENT TO THE DISCUSSION.
the quesiton is, should a 1-6 month old parasitic fetus be treated the same way as a selfsustaning human being.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 19:38 GMT
¨Ben. Thanks for teaching me the socratic method, but you still don't fool me into believeing that you are a "doctor of science." You're a fake and an idiot.¨
 
ad hominem.
oh, and you still didn´t learn the socratic method.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 19:40 GMT
¨My bad. I just don't take being scolded by a fraud. So two days before the "fetus" is born it's fine to kill him huh?¨
 
if the mothers life is in danger.
yes.
if the child has a disorder with a huge mortality rate.
yes.
if the child is born extremely prematurely.
yes.
 
if the parents know they are incapable of raising and sustaining their child and they see or feel now way they can burden the rest of society with their enfant.
(imo yes)
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/18 - 19:41 GMT
¨I just don't take being scolded by a fraud.¨
 
he actually DOES science.
and what do you do?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
6 days - 8,562v
Posted 2009/12/20 - 22:34 GMT
It is incredibly selfish and mean to kill others for pleasure; that is basically what you do if you have sex then kill the baby because you don't want it. If you dont want a child, dont have sex or use a condom.
 
About killing animals, we should only do that if we need it for food. if we dont kill animals for meat, we would be anemic and many would die. Its one or the other: animals or humans.
With babies, killing them is unnecessary unless both the mother and baby would die anyway and killing the baby would save the mother.
 
The baby, (or fetus, whatever you want to call it), Is not the mother's body, so it isn't the mother's choice. It has its own DNA and shouldn't be treated like the mother's body simply because it is connected to the mother by an umbilical cord.
 
Is it really too much to ask of a mother to undergo pregnancy and childbirth, in order to save a baby's life?
 
This statement is moral to everyone, Christian or otherwise:
"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
How would you like to be the fetus that got killed? 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/20 - 22:42 GMT
Ben. Thanks for teaching me the socratic method,
 
Oh don't worry, it's painfully clear that you're uneducable.
 
but you still don't fool me into believeing that you are a "doctor of science." You're a fake and an idiot.
 
Aww, someone's a little cranky. Getting bitter over your complete inability to win a debate, even by default?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/20 - 23:27 GMT
Hey that's true. How would these evolutionists like to be aborted?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/21 - 14:33 GMT
"It is incredibly selfish and mean to kill others for pleasure; that is basically what you do if you have sex then kill the baby because you don't want it."'
 
HAHAHAHA. way to stereotype.
you haven''t the feigntest clue as to why people commit abortions do you?
 
""If you dont want a child, dont have sex or use a condom.""
 
(side not irony, most of the religious anti-abortion lobby also promotes abstinace only, and opposes comdoms.)
 
and ona  more serious note.
how about rape? how about if you want a chilld, but it's mortality rate is 80%? seriously...thinks this through before you post these superficial objections.
 
""About killing animals, we should only do that if we need it for food. if we dont kill animals for meat, we would be anemic and many would die. Its one or the other: animals or humans.""
 
although im a meat eater myself..this is probably a ridiculus defense agaisnt a vego.
 
we DO NOT NEED Meat!
we are now perfectly capable of substetuting the nutrients with plant matter, or chemosynthesis.
 
but hey, that doesn''t taste as well, nor will it ever fully replace the evolved metabolic athways we have.
 
"With babies, killing them is unnecessary unless both the mother and baby would die anyway and killing the baby would save the mother.""
 
so you DO support abotions! but only in those ""maybe cases".
hint: you're not the only one.
 
""The baby, (or fetus, whatever you want to call it),""
 
no, by definition: as long as it''s still in the womb, it's a fetus.
please don't  muddle the water with emotional terms like "baby".
 
""Is not the mother's body, so it isn't the mother's choice.""
 
PING PING PING.
half right.
placenta.
half wrong.
 
as long as the baby leeches of the mother, it still is the mothers choice, as she is forced to sustain the fetus.
 
"It has its own DNA and shouldn't be treated like the mother's body simply because it is connected to the mother by an umbilical cord."
 
over simplification extreme.
 
"Is it really too much to ask of a mother to undergo pregnancy and childbirth, in order to save a baby's life?"
 
and then what?
have the baby die to a genetic defect?
have the parents spend thousands of dollars for expensive procedures that might not even save it?
have the baby undergo a miserable life in a family that isn't financially or emotionally capable of taking care of it?
have the childs quality of life so horribly degraded by parent's tat actually did not want it?
 
"How would you like to be the fetus that got killed? "
 
i would care.
because i would be at the mercy of my mother who provided for me, and the parents that took the rational assesment of keeping me or not.
 
""Do to others as you would have them do to you.""
 
do you support the death penalty by any chance?
this is a slightly related question. and i promise i will not side track the discussion with it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/21 - 17:24 GMT
I support the death penalty for molesters that torture and kill. But you support the death penalty for the innocent babies.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
5 days - 8,032v
Posted 2009/12/21 - 22:58 GMT
"I support the death penalty for molesters that torture and kill."
 
how christian for you....especially since god is supposed to forgive all....
 
"" But you support the death penalty for the innocent babies.""
 
???how did you figure?
 
the state doesn''t ABORT the FETUSSES, acting out SCENTENCES.
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Posted 2009/12/22 - 21:52 GMT
"how christian for you....especially since god is supposed to forgive all...."

So I guess according to that logic we should let everybody out of prison and say your forgiven? God forgives. We forgive, but people still need to pay for their crimes on earth as well.

"???how did you figure?

the state doesn''t ABORT the FETUSSES, acting out SCENTENCES."

The state gives doctors the power and we give the state the power. So guilt goes down the line.

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Posted 2009/12/22 - 22:58 GMT
"
So I guess according to that logic we should let everybody out of prison and say your forgiven?"
 
isn''t that what jezus died for in the original sin sense?
 
"God forgives. We forgive, but people still need to pay for their crimes on earth as well."
 
paying for your crimes doesn't have to mean erasing your existance.
or sending em to heaven a little faster then they should have...or hell if that's what your blend of christianity tells you.
 
"
The state gives doctors the power and we give the state the power. So guilt goes down the line."
 
this does nothing to defend the position that capital punishment is the same as  making the choice of aborting a fetus. so you should be adding a little to that explination.
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Posted 2009/12/23 - 2:56 GMT
It's simple. You believe there's justice to kill the innocent (babies) and I don't. I believe there's justified way to kill child molesting torturing murderers and you don't. These type of people feel less pain during lethal injection than a baby does during abortion. Read this quote from abortionfacts.com.

IS IT REALLY A BABY OR ‘JUST A BLOB OF TISSUE (AT 21 WEEKS)’?"

Years ago scientists did not know. Now, however, with ultrasound and other methods, they can actually "see" the unborn baby inside of the mother’s womb. Doctors can now open the womb, do surgery on an unborn baby, and close up the womb for the pregnancy to continue normally. One now famous photo shows an unborn baby 21 weeks old reaching out of the womb and grabbing the finger of the surgeon. The surgery was completed and the baby was born healthy months later. There is now no question that it is a living, growing, feeling human being long before birth.

Picture: http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_904ao.asp
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Posted 2009/12/23 - 3:11 GMT
"You believe there's justice to kill the innocent (babies) and I don't.""
 
if you insist on continueing misrepresenting the issue..go ahead.
 
" I believe there's justified way to kill child molesting torturing murderers and you don't."
 
how very christian of you....especially when considering how these kinds of people are glorified in the OT....but only if they are jews...
 
"These type of people feel less pain during lethal injection than a baby does during abortion."
 
supportign evidence? none.
you cannot tell us how they feel, quit trying.
not only that, you seem to be horribly ignorant of what forms of abortion there are.
 
"Read this quote from abortionfacts.com."
 
oh yes...certainly the name of an unbiased site...
 
"
IS IT REALLY A BABY OR ‘JUST A BLOB OF TISSUE (AT 21 WEEKS"
 
it's a blob of tissue....just like we all are. but that's not the point.
 
tTe point is that the FETUS (quit clouding the water with appeal to emotion) isn''t self sufficient yet. and that any defects might still not have been "weeded out naturally".
 
""Years ago scientists did not know. Now, however, with ultrasound and other methods, they can actually "see" the unborn baby inside of the mother’s womb.""
 
WTF is this kind of statement???
OF COURSE WE KNEW THERE WERE FETUSSES INSIDE!
we just didn't have the means to visually percieve them yet.
 
"Doctors can now open the womb, do surgery on an unborn baby, and close up the womb for the pregnancy to continue normally."
 
and this was also possible before ultra, just a lot riskier.
 
" One now famous photo shows an unborn baby 21 weeks old reaching out of the womb and grabbing the finger of the surgeon."
 
and? i can only se the cheap appeal to emotion here.
 
hint* "you can SEE the parasites infesting/ ecoli interacting with each/ puppy eye's""
 
i could care less about instictive behaviour.
 
" There is now no question that it is a living, growing, feeling human being long before birth."
 
which i have no objection to. the issues are, what kind of threat does his birth pose to the mother? will it be worth it to invest all the time and recources in this child? do we have the right to inflict suffering on this child when we knew we could have spared him it.
 
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Posted 2009/12/23 - 5:53 GMT
Hey that's true. How would these evolutionists like to be aborted?
 
Wow, ronnie - first accusations of pedophilia, now you're starting on the thinly-veiled death threats?
 
You're just an all-around classy guy, aren't you?
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Posted 2009/12/23 - 5:56 GMT
But you support the death penalty for the innocent babies.
 
I recently pointed out to you that a 5-month old fetus is not actually the same thing as an infant - and by your reasoning, your failure to rebut the point means that you concede it.
 
In other words: you FAIL.
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Posted 2009/12/23 - 22:27 GMT
It's simple. You believe there's justice to kill the innocent (babies) and I don't.
 
Yes, "simple" being the operative word... and, incidentally, "simple" is also a good description of someone who can't understand the difference between a fetus and an infant.
 
abortionfacts.com
 
With a domain name like "abortionfacts.com," I'm sure that's an unbiased and objective source.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 2:46 GMT
You fail sucka!!!!!

GOT EVIDENCE RIGHT HERE. At just 21 weeks they feel pain. Your the biased one.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_904ao.asp
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 2:53 GMT
ronnie, reaction to stimuli does not equal feeling pain.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 3:24 GMT
Science has proven it. I'll believe the science. Thanks.
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 11:31 GMT
"In the past few years, medical research has shown that unborn babies can feel pain. Dr. H. M. Liley, the leading authority on the study of babies before birth, stated, "When doctors first began invading the sanctuary of the womb, they did not know that the unborn baby would react to pain in the same fashion as a child would. But they soon learned that he would""
 
oooh, what gorgious "proof".
you understand that this says nothing about the fetus experiencing pain like we do, rigth?
 
if you want a good example: leeches'.
 

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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 11:33 GMT
"Science has proven it. I'll believe the science. Thanks."
 
you understand you haven't proved anything right?
 
but even if we give you this point.
SO WHAT?
this changes nothgin about the physiological, social and economic status of a fetus. and you still have to deal with the" abort, or suffer in life" problem.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/24 - 18:39 GMT
Science has proven it.
 
BZZZT, wrong. Nothing is ever considered proven in science.
 
It only took you 3 words to shoot yourself in the foot this time - that's gotta be a new record.
 
I'll believe the science.
 
In other words, you believe science when it's convenient or reinforces your existing biases. Huge surprise there.
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Posted 2009/12/26 - 3:22 GMT
I agree with Bigdog complely on this. We must stop killing God's innocent creatures. We need to stop women who don't want their children from having abortions. What this world needs is more unwanted, unloved children whose parents don't want them or can't take care of them.
We need to use God as our role model in this. God would NEVER kill a child and we should not either.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/26 - 15:27 GMT
you can't really believe in science, but you can have faith in it. That it is executed correctly.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/27 - 14:49 GMT
"but you can have faith in it."
 
i think the word is trust, not faith.
as the practical application of theories provides adiquate evidence of validity.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/27 - 16:03 GMT
if u don't know how it works or understand it you have to have faith, but for those who do understand it its a matter of trust.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/29 - 5:14 GMT
Science has proven it.

Sci borg: "BZZZT, wrong. Nothing is ever considered proven in science."

But you believe animals to man is proven true and even old earthism when carbon dating and geologic columns have all of these problems in being proven true.

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Posted 2009/12/29 - 13:07 GMT
Ronnie, people like you actually make me ill. When you flip your lights on do you say "man..i hope God turns the lights on" When you are sick...do you not go to the doctor...just pray.? You depend on the things that science has proven on an hourly basis. The computer you use to post your drivel is due to the advancements made in science and technology. The food you eat is due to science advancements that feed the world.
I swear, people like you should be precluded from using any of the advantages science and technology has provided.
Your statement that science has proven nothing is a joke. I find it hallarious that you have 2 definitions of the word "proof". 1) the scientific definition of proof and 2) the biblical definition of truth which appears to be.."God said it....it is true...despite all evidence to the contrary."
Honestly, if you REALLY believe what you say..why do you even bother going to the doctor when you are sick? Why not just pray?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/29 - 16:10 GMT
First question: Is this Ellman?

Luke 4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, physician, heal thyself.

This verse is kind of a riddle to people who don't know the bible. see if you can figure it out. If you can it will answer your question.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/29 - 17:43 GMT
Ronnie, do you even think about what you are writing. Your bronze age book tells you to go to the physician and THAT is why you go? You go to a physician because THEY are the ones that can cure you. You go to a doctor because deep down you KNOW that it is their knowledge of science and the drugs they can prescribe to you that were created by science will be what cures you.
Honestly, you downplay science constantly but yet you depend on it in 100 times in your daily life. You should spend your life thanking scientists for what they have given you. Instead you say that science is a lie.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 1:38 GMT
Bro code article 82) If two Bros get into a heated argument over something and one says something out of line, the other shall not expect him to take it back or apologize to make amends. That's inhuman.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 18:12 GMT
Of course I go to a doctor. The bible says it's appointed unto man once to die. Everybody dies and gets sick. People get healed miraculously sometimes, but later we will die of old age or some disease still.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 18:36 GMT
If you ever used antibiotics you're hypocrite ronnie.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 22:43 GMT
How does the Bible oppose Germ Theory?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 23:12 GMT
You ask how does the bible oppose germ theory? Have you read the bible. Bible cliams that God is the one that created the Plagues, etc. It is God that made those people sick..not germs, virus' etc.
Additionally, I think the claim that Jesus, not antibiotics, cures leprocy.
Additionally, wasn't the Garden of Eden free of sickness, shame and suffering before Eve ate that damn apple.
Now, you will probably say that this is too literal an interpretation of the bible. That is intellectually dishonest. You people claim that you hold this holy book up to the highest standards. But you pick and choose what is literal and what is not. Is there a secret decoder ring to determine what is metaphor and what is literal. YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD, GOD CREATED ADAM FROM DIRT AND EVE FROM A RIB. Why can't you just say these claims are just metaphors and stop attacking science.
Why not just pray for healing. No..you depend on science.
There are no Theists in Emergency Rooms.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 23:26 GMT
Yes, God created disease--by creating pathogenic microorganisms. He either made new microorganisms or transformed some microorganisms into pathogenic ones when Adam and Eve sinned. 
 
Yes, Jesus can cure leprosy, but antibiotics do too.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/30 - 23:38 GMT
Where in the bible do you see that god created pathogenic organisms? Oh.. again.. you are interpeting aren't you. Okay...well then why not interpret it to say that evolution is the means god uses to create diversity AND STOP TRYING TO DEBUNK SCIENTIFIC THEORIES.
I do not think you understand science at all. For example: Germ theory does not say that illness is caused by micro-organisms...unless god causes it.
Meteoralogy does not say that rain is caused by when precipitation forms in clouds.....except when god causes it.
Science is a NATURAL EXPLANATION......
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/31 - 13:06 GMT
"Yes, God created disease--by creating pathogenic microorganisms. He either made new microorganisms or transformed some microorganisms into pathogenic ones when Adam and Eve sinned. "
- Flawless logic. OFC GOD DID IT! You know how? Evolution explains this very well unlike your belief that only tells you one thing, "GOD DUNNIT!"


It's the same if i said god made my phone fall to the floor if i droped it, when we fully understand gravity... It's teh same stupidity.

Natural selection is a factor you have to undetstand and work with when you produce antibiotics. Without the understanding of genetics, evolution and natural selection we wouldn't have new antibiotics and we woudln't understand why procaryotes got resistant to them.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/31 - 17:00 GMT
No body knows exactly how it all works. The Bible is just the basic message for what we need to know. We are supposed to figure out the details.

I saved this quote from BIGDOG. Who you athiests hate.

"I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are just details." Albert Einstein (cite- the expanded quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, pg. 202)

If this quote was unamed you would call him a creationist.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/31 - 17:24 GMT
"If this quote was unamed you would call him a creationist."
 
and if you would quite quotemining...we wouldn't have to.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/31 - 19:43 GMT
And I, being a physicist, know exactly what he means....do you?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2009/12/31 - 20:46 GMT
I think it is wonderful when creationists quote Einstein (or should i say misquote)
They really have no clue regarding Einstein's view of God. Einstein may have believed in a God, however, he did not believe in a personal god, ie..one that cures, performs miracles for man, punishes man, heals man.
It is like if ANY scientist uses the word "God" they automatically think that that scientist is a young earth creationist who believed in the biblical story of creation.
I have said over and over on this site, why can't creationists just take the bible as a metaphor for how/why god did things instead of insisting on a literal interpretation that has been proven wrong over and over again.
I truly believe that if theists took this approach, they would be taken more seriously. If someone actually believes in the concept of a talking snake, or a 6000 year old earth...they have serious mental problems. The gullibility of some people amazes me.
As a random thought, I would like someone to do a study of any connection between a person's belief in a young earth and conspiracy theories. I would hypothosize that there is a direct coorilation between someone believing in the literal words of the bible and thier belief in thy myriad of conspiracy theories.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/01 - 4:21 GMT
What can i say? If the avarage IQ is 100 there has to be ppl with lower than 100...
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/01 - 18:43 GMT
When Einstein says he would like to know how God created the world I think he means what he says. He wasn't religious but he obviously since he was a genious, knw that the world was created.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/01 - 19:58 GMT
Talking about Einstein: Here's a pretty good article from Time Magazine that I found about him. I just read the whole thing. No quotemining please.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/01 - 20:53 GMT
It doesn't matter if its a quotemine or not, its still an appeal to authority ant that is my only reason for not looking the info up about einstein. Its completely irrelevant to his work of wether he believed in god or not.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 0:28 GMT
This is not my usual card here, but I need to do this.
 
PS: don't take this as resorting to preaching to convince you....
 
Have you ever thought about 'what if God exists, and you didn't believe in him? What if after you die, you finally discover that there is a God?
 
don't you think you'd be in a bit of trouble?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 3:06 GMT
Wihan,
Look up Pascal's Wager.
I could go on and on bout this age old question. However, let's have some fun..shall we?
What if the Zeus is the real god? Shouldn't you worship him also? Or what about Horas, Thor, Mithra or the Flying Spagetti Monster:???
This isn't even the logical argument against Pascal's wager...But I thought I would have fun anyway.

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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 3:09 GMT
The problem is that their is no scientific evidence for the Greek gods. Their is scientific evidence for the Bible.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 5:11 GMT
"Have you ever thought about 'what if God exists, and you didn't believe in him? What if after you die, you finally discover that there is a God?"
- My world view doesn't really have the "what if?" option. There is to many problems with the whole heavan and gods rules for that to be even plausible in my eyes. Why believing in something that has no credibility left and nothing substantial to it. 2000 years outdated rules and laws that have no value in real life. Like the sins of man or impossible storys that can never be confirmed or tested and we're suppose to believe in them without questioning them. I just can't get it. But maybe that's because I'm a secular humanist. As i've pointed out there are to many things that doesn't add up for it to be credible or even something to consider in my opinion. I mean even Buddhism has more value in my eyes.

"The problem is that their is no scientific evidence for the Greek gods. Their is scientific evidence for the Bible."
- And by that you mean archeological and historical evidence for a small portion of the long story that is old and new testament? There's no evidence for god, moses or the ark for that matter.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 7:35 GMT
I didn't ask what you believe in, I asked what if?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 8:14 GMT
and i gave you the argument to WHY i don't consider "what if?"...
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/02 - 11:35 GMT
Ronnie,
We have requested this evidence for YOUR god time and time again. We get ignored. There is not any scientific proof of god. Again, produce such evidence and win yourself a Nobel Prize.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 2:59 GMT
I love you long time.....in the butt,
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 6:22 GMT
Einstein discovered evidence for God. Altough he wasn't a Christian he believed in an intelligent designer. Here he is being questioned:

Interviewer to Einstein: To what extent are you influenced by Christianity? (Einstein): "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene (Jesus)."

You accept the historical existence of Jesus? "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 13:35 GMT
Ronnie,
Again, please present evidence. Einstein did NOT submit scientific evidence. He did not test it, observe it. Einstein knew that God is not observable or testable..thus not scientific. He was a pantheist. Pantheists do NOT believe in a personal god. They do not believe that god cures people, they do not believe that god is involved your day to day life. So i am assuming that this is what you believe??????
Ronnie, you really need to pick one battle. Are you a creationists who believes in the bible tale of god creating the universe 6000 years ago or are you a believer in intellegent design which has no position on HOW we were created and HOW we evolved. I.D. says we were intellegently designed but does not go into specifics. We could have been designed by elfs, santa, Thor...etc. Please choose one position and stick with it.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 20:47 GMT
¨Talking about Einstein: Here's a pretty good article from Time Magazine that I found about him. I just read the whole thing. No quotemining please.¨
 
you understand that that article completely rips the rug out form under your claim, don´t you?
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 20:49 GMT
¨
Have you ever thought about 'what if God exists, and you didn't believe in him? What if after you die, you finally discover that there is a God?
 
don't you think you'd be in a bit of trouble?¨
 
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
..
what if you die and Vishnu stares you in the face?
 
but on a more serious note. if there is a god, it´s his fault. (at least if he´s allknowing), and even if he´s not, and i live on after death. all the more time to get to know him.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 20:50 GMT
¨The problem is that their is no scientific evidence for the Greek gods. Their is scientific evidence for the Bible.¨
 
which would be?
 
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 20:54 GMT
¨Einstein discovered evidence for God. Altough he wasn't a Christian he believed in an intelligent designer. Here he is being questioned:¨
 
A GOD=/= YOUR GOD.
 
i would have thought that point should have sunk in by now.

¨"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."¨
 
which makes him sympathetic to christianity how?
your church fathers killed off those sects that saw him as human you know....
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/01/03 - 23:20 GMT

Ronnie.

I can't believe that you're still debating these guys. Don't you see the kind of trash that they spew out? Thanks for bringing up my old post of "Catholics and Protestants: For Life" however. I'm in sunny Florida right now, just trying to get out of the stinking Canadian cold weather.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/04/13 - 1:55 GMT
I can't believe that you're still debating these guys.
 
Yeah, he should have followed your example and run away months ago.
 
I'm in sunny Florida right now, just trying to get out of the stinking Canadian cold weather.
 
Cold weather? What part of Canada do you live in, Yellowknife? I was out in shorts and a t-shirt today.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/04/13 - 4:14 GMT
if you didn't notice...he posted that comment a long time ago. like months ago. he just posted a video above now. in the heading.
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Re: Catholics and Protestants: For Life
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Posted 2010/04/13 - 16:58 GMT
A long long time ago... In a galaxy far far away.

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