ICR's Misunderstanding of Science
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Submitted By ben on 09/02/19
Bunchaninnys
http://www.icr.org/article/chimps-people-show-architectural-genetic-design/
Bigdog pointed to that as if it is a scientific article. I agree that it does show the quality of work ICR puts out. It is just as bad as the rest.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/12/copy_number_variants_are_not_e.php
» Reply to CommentBasically all your aritcle is saying is that there
bigdog
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Basically all your aritcle is saying is that there doesn't have to be an architect for architecture. He's entitled to that belief, but athiestic progressive anatomy is scientifically impossible. PZ Meyers is "willingly ignorant" of this. Scientists at ICR come from all universities and backgrounds. There are thousands of scientists that contribute to ICR.
» Reply to CommentActually that article is saying that the ICR did a
Actually that article is saying that the ICR did a quote mine and came to a conclusion that had no basis. They tried to say that because the word used by the author implies a creator then there must be a creator. Perhaps you should define scientists so we can be on common ground on who is contributing. Why don't they contribute to a scientific journal an actual article that would support Creationism?
» Reply to CommentWhy don't they contribute to a s
Why don't they contribute to a scientific journal an actual article that would support Creationism?
Journals typically only accept original research (and not disingenuous "analyses" of research performed by others) - and I doubt there are many creationists capable of that.
» Reply to CommentI suppose that was a bit rhetorical.
I suppose that was a bit rhetorical.
» Reply to CommentAh yes, another favourite creationist tactic:
Ah yes, another favourite creationist tactic: focus on a phenomenon that science hasn't explained and conclude "See, science doesn't know the answer - so GOD must have done it!"
No wonder creationists are so anti-science - it takes away their ability to exploit the unknown.
» Reply to CommentThe sad thing is that it doesn't even require
The sad thing is that it doesn't even require knowledge of genetics to spot the flaws in that article. The argument largely hinges on semantics & Brian Thomas' pouncing on the use of the word "architecture" in the study he refers to.
He interprets "architecture" as being synonymous with "designed." A glance at any half-decent dictionary will show that that's not the case.
» Reply to CommentSo he believes in architecture without an architec
So he believes in architecture without an architect? I think that was what I was saying. It's very simple. He believes no architect is responsible for the architecture of complex life like chimps and humans, and most people including scientists believe that there was and is an ARCHITECT. Wow the evolution theory is looking even more rediculous as we go on. It's self defeating.
» Reply to CommentIf I say the wind is blowing does that mean t
If I say the wind is blowing does that mean that I believe there is a "blower"? If the author used the word structured you wouldn't have a problem with it?
I have an idea. You should boil a cup of water and add two cups of sugar. Pour that into a jar and dip a string into the solution. Wait a few hours and you will see crystals form. They don't form because of anything you do. Order is common. It is not a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics or anything like that.
By the way, the word you are looking for is ridiculous.
» Reply to CommentLook how wikipedia describes
Look how wikipedia describes "architect": "An architect is a licensed individual who leads a design team in the planning and DESIGN of buildings and participates in oversight of building construction. The word "architect" comes from Latin architectus, which in turn derives from Greek arkhitekton (arkhi, chief + tekton, builder") . ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architect) The word architect fits GOD even better now that I think about it, because GOD said, "Let there be light" and he spoke life into existence. Universe means one verse or one single spoken sentence.
» Reply to CommentCan you go one post without a lie?
Can you go one post without a lie?
Universe is from the Latin universum. Uni means all and versum means something rolled or changed.
So you are going to look at the origin of a word and say that anyone that uses such a word must have that meaning? How about this? Go and read the actual article it is based on and see if you still think they are trying to say an invisible person designed life.
If humans were designed then the designer is terrible.
» Reply to CommentUni can mean one. Are you that ignorant that you c
Uni can mean one. Are you that ignorant that you can't see that? (http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2231). It's just like uno means one in Spanish. Verse can mean spoken sentence or chorus line (the interpretations change), like a Bible verse or songs in the Bible. Our design was once perfect in the beginning. Now we are under a curse of death. Everybody is now destined to die the firts death. My bio teacher used to say the same thing. He said that if he was GOD he would have putthe nose under the chin, because it's a poor design. But then I think one would choke while they were sleeping in bed.
» Reply to CommentYour lack of understanding of etymology is as
Your lack of understanding of etymology is as bad as your lack of understanding of science.
I suppose you think politics comes from poli meaning many and ticks meaning blood sucking insect as well.
If we didn't have our trachea and esogophus share a common point of entry it would save millions of lives from choking. That is one example of the poor design. Just do a search back a few pages because I gave you a list of the poor designs that we inherited.
» Reply to CommentI'm sure you know better than GOD. This reminds me
I'm sure you know better than GOD. This reminds me of a Joke. An athiest scientist told GOD, "I am smart enough to create life." So GOD said, "Feel free." The athiest then grabbed a shovel and wheelbarrel, put some dirt in the wheel barrel and GOD said, "Hold on! That's my soil. You have to make your own."
» Reply to CommentFunny though the joke may be, it doesn't change th
Funny though the joke may be, it doesn't change the fact that humans are not designed as if they were planned. They are designed as if it was small tinkering made with existing systems.
» Reply to CommentHow could the scientist be an atheist if he's
How could the scientist be an atheist if he's talking to God? If God talked to everyone there would be no atheists.
» Reply to CommentSo he believes in architecture w
So he believes in architecture without an architect?
No, he's claiming the exact opposite. Unfortunately, it appears that he didn't bother looking up "architecture" in the dictionary:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/architecture
(Definition 2 b - "a unifying or coherent form or structure")
Wow the evolution theory is looking even more rediculous as we go on. It's self defeating.
It helps when you mischaracterize it for the purpose of strawman arguments.
» Reply to CommentNo this is Ben.
No this is Ben.
» Reply to CommentIs this Ben?
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Is this Ben?
Uh, no. Where would you get that idea?
» Reply to CommentRe: So he believes in architecture without an architec
bigdog:
ar⋅chi⋅tec⋅ture
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border="0" /></a> [ahr-ki-tek-cher] 
Show IPA –noun
kɪˌtɛk Show IPA –noun
| 1. | the profession of designing buildings, open areas, communities, and other artificial constructions and environments, usually with some regard to aesthetic effect. Architecture often includes design or selection of furnishings and decorations, supervision of construction work, and the examination, restoration, or remodeling of existing buildings. |
| 2. | the character or style of building: the architecture of Paris; Romanesque architecture. |
| 3. | the action or process of building; construction. |
| 4. | the result or product of architectural work, as a building. |
| 5. | buildings collectively. |
| 6. | a fundamental underlying design of computer hardware, software, or both. |
| 7. | the structure of anything: the architecture of a novel. |
no. 7
pwned
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/architecture
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