and thank you for pointing out the massive irony that hurts fundementalist brains today [^_^]
"Theistic Evolution"
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Submitted By doctorofscience on 09/03/01
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In several posts here, I've stated that majority of Christians (by denomination, at least) are not Young-Earth Creationists. While looking around to see if there was any formal data confirming my own observations, I discovered that there's even a name for religous acceptance of the theory of evolution: "Theistic Evolution."
And this section breaks down the various beliefs by denomination:
I'd say that page, and its references, effectively confirms that the majority of Christians are not Young-Earth Creationists. It also pokes some rather large holes in two common creationist tactics: their tendency to rely on "appeals to the majority," and the claim that people only accept evolution because it "allows" them to not believe in God.
Beyond that, it appears that Islam is the only major religion where the majority of followers believe in anything even remotely similar to Young-Earth Creationism. Quite amusing, considering that many in the anti-evolution crowd are also anti-Islam - strange bedfellows indeed.
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» Reply to CommentThiestic evolution beliefs are shrinking. Many are
Thiestic evolution beliefs are shrinking. Many are losing confidence in old earth dating methods and going back to historical evidence that shows a young earth.
» Reply to Commentriiight and from which source did you get thi
riiight and from which source did you get this?
oh and you do realize that the major part of Christians who believe in ceationism reside in the US, in europe there barely is any issue.
» Reply to CommentWhaaaaat. What about Africa? Many Christians there
Whaaaaat. What about Africa? Many Christians there believe in creation. SOme of them believe however that the earth is 12,000 years old, because of well I wont' waste my time.
» Reply to Commentdo you have any idea how missionaries do thei
do you have any idea how missionaries do their job?
they "prey" on the poor vunerable people. believe in god and you get food we provide for you with aid from our organization.
ya REALLY supportive of believing creationism after critical analysis.
or even better do you even what percentage fo the population actually is Christian or muslim for that case? coem back when you ahve those percentages.
» Reply to CommentNiccccce.
I know that there are about 2 billion people in the world that believe in Jesus. There are about 1.2 billion muslims.
» Reply to Commentyes and of those 2 billion (please cite your
yes and of those 2 billion (please cite your source) Christians. creationist make up and EXTREME MINORITY....why would you even deny that. most Christians live outside the US and there is barely ANY issue about whether creationism is scientificallt supported, most people here just know it has no basis and won't even waiste their time in trying to believe it. count to think of it, aren't europeans more educated overall?
don't get me wrong, we have dumb people and fundementalists here and you have intellectual people in the US, even among the creationists. but overal the masses who "support" your ideas aren't the most capable people when it comes to critical analysis and free thinking.
oh and there are about 0.7 billion hindus and about 1.5 billion other faithfull.AND the most prevelant form of Christianity is Catholicism.
Africa, south america, that's butloads of Catholics there.
» Reply to Commentin europe there barely is any is
in europe there barely is any issue.
Ditto for Canada.
» Reply to CommentIt is a fundamentalist thing. Fundamentalist
It is a fundamentalist thing. Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Muslims are very much alike, a lot more than either care to admit.
Neither should be put in charge of countries but you can see the result when they are.
» Reply to CommentOf all the booty chatter, Evolution is not co
Of all the booty chatter, Evolution is not compatible with theism, much less christianity. The only reason most people, namely believers, accept evolution is that is all they have been taught, on a "science" level.
Again, what 8 year old will argue when a teacher and text book says, "You come from a blob and monkey trillions of years ago". Eh? But the more educated people become, being exposed to creation science, often for the first time, they understand the perdinant truths.
» Reply to CommentYou’ve been told countless times that evolution
You’ve been told countless times that evolution does not suggest we came from monkeys. Why do you insist on changing the definition over and over and over? For the last time: WE DID NOT “COME FROM” MONKEYS. We shared a common ancestor, and the ancestor was NOT A MONKEY. Get it? Think it’ll stick in your head now?
» Reply to CommentHAHAHAHA....evulotion is only incompatible with LI
HAHAHAHA....evulotion is only incompatible with LITERAL INTEPRETATION OF THE BIBLE. is has NOTHING to do with the existence of god...if you would quit taking the bible literal you'd understand.
there could still be a god, he could have started the big bang and then everything else just fell into place because of the essence of matter and energy.
hell, there could even be some force we could describe as destiny.
science will never be able to (dis)prove that because that is not something science tries to define. it is more a philosophical thing.
however when you start making up evidence for literal interpretation of the bible science CAN debunk it. because the fact is. there is no evidence to support literal interpretation and barely any evidence to support historical validity.
SO STFU ABOUT SAYING "TO BELIEVE EVOLUTION IS TO DENY GOD". it's doesn't mean that and it doesn't even imply that.
there could still be a god, he could have started the big bang and then everything else just fell into place because of the essence of matter and energy.
hell, there could even be some force we could describe as destiny.
science will never be able to (dis)prove that because that is not something science tries to define. it is more a philosophical thing.
however when you start making up evidence for literal interpretation of the bible science CAN debunk it. because the fact is. there is no evidence to support literal interpretation and barely any evidence to support historical validity.
SO STFU ABOUT SAYING "TO BELIEVE EVOLUTION IS TO DENY GOD". it's doesn't mean that and it doesn't even imply that.
» Reply to CommentOf all the booty chatter
Of all the booty chatter
"booty chatter"? Y'arr, don't tell me I missed Talk Like a Pirate Day again!
Evolution is not compatible with theism, much less christianity
The overwhelming majority of Christians disagree.
The only reason most people, namely believers, accept evolution is that is all they have been taught, on a "science" level.
And...? You could say the exact same thing about heliocentrism.
On the other hand, I'm sure it's simply a massive coincidence that creationists' views on evolution just happen to align perfectly with the religious views they were indoctrinated with since birth.
Again, what 8 year old will argue when a teacher and text book says, "You come from a blob and monkey trillions of years ago".
How many 8 year-olds are taught cosmology and/or evolutionary biology in the first place? Call me crazy, but I'd think those topics are a teensy bit advanced for children who are still learning basic arithmetic and reading skills.
But the more educated people become, being exposed to creation science,
often for the first time, they understand the perdinant truths.
often for the first time, they understand the perdinant truths.
Only if they manage to remain ignorant of the concept of intellectual rigour.
» Reply to CommentI was taught creationism when i was little in
I was taught creationism when i was little in suday chool ,and only learned evolution in high school at a basic level, and then really didn't understand it until College, when i was able to reason.
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You mean when you were brainwashed in college?
You mean when you were brainwashed in college?
» Reply to CommentHow can you claim that learning about evolution (s
How can you claim that learning about evolution (something that doesn’t even happen until high school) a form of brainwashing? Religion literally begins the brainwashing at birth. If you’re against indoctrination, then are you against Sunday school and bible camp?
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They taught my son that the dinosaurs died 65 mi
They taught my son that the dinosaurs died 65 million years before man when he was only in 2nd grade. I had to re-educate him about history. Brainwashing starts in 2nd grade. We just didn't notice because we were brainwashed.
» Reply to Comment2nd grade isn’t all that bad considering I was b
2nd grade isn’t all that bad considering I was baptized when I was 6 months old.
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And GOD is calling you back. Doesn't mean you ha
And GOD is calling you back. Doesn't mean you have to go to the Catholic church or my church. Just pray to him via Christ.
» Reply to CommentNo, he’s really, really not. But that’s fine,
No, he’s really, really not. But that’s fine, just ignore the examples of religious brainwashing I gave you. Not obvious deflecting at all.
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I used to believe in thiestic evolution. I was r
I used to believe in thiestic evolution. I was raised that way. But now I've researched the facts of history and flaws of evolution. Intelligent Design is the new science and the Bible is the ancient truth.
» Reply to CommentRe: They taught my son that the dinosaurs died 65 mi
I had to re-educate him about history.
So teaching children ideas that you don't agree with is BRAINWASHING. But teaching them ideas you do agree with is "re-education."
Go go intellectual consistency!
I'd be *fascinated* to read your explanation of how religious indoctrination is any less a form of brainwashing than formal education.
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