(Ben says): "Supposedly 70 Jews go to Egypt (Gen 46:27 and Exodus 1:5) and in 400 years (430 according to Exodus 12:40) they number 2.5 million (600,000 men according to Exodus 12:37, 603550 according to Exodus 38:26, ). We could start with 75 if you want since that is what is says in Acts (Acts 7:24) but for consistancy let's stay with what we have now."
(Dog): Well HISTORICAL records of man only go back 6,000 years and now there are 6.5 billion people. and 100 years ago there were only about 1 billion people. So your numbers may be rounded accurate.
(Ben) So what is the birth rate if they go from 70 to 2.5 million given a life expectancy of about 35 years? Be that as it may let's look at what it means when you have 2.5 million people walking out of a country. If they were 10 abreast then they would have made a line 250 miles long. How dos a group that large get that lost? It took them 40 years to make a 10 day trip.
(Dog) I've wondered about this as well. Without searching for the answers, others may have went seperate ways as people do in their nature. This would explain the being of tribes all over the world, just as Abraham was promised by GOD that his seed would be the father of many nations. As for them being lost in the wilderness, again we don't know how many were left, but GOD may have led them into confusion as that is the way it seems to be written. It's kind of like how did congress just lose 350 billion dollars? We don't know but they just did.
(Ben) After the exodus from Egypt (which was 2.5 million peoeple that left not a single trace of their passing) somehow they dropped in population because the archelogical evidence shows a population under David and Solomon of 75000. Funny how the population was 75K with a standing army of 1.3 million.
For archeaological evidence of the Exodus, see the video 'Exodus Revealed' in it's entirety. Here's some pictures of the chariot wheels and bones at the Red Sea crossing. Although Ron Wyatt supported these finds he did not discover them. It was an archeaologist from Swizersand.
http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/redsea.html
I don't know the accuracy of your numbers for David's and Soloman's kingdom, but as we know many kingdoms have sprouted up in just the past 4,000 years, so again, many people may have left to start other kingdoms. It's amazing if one uses a little logic with the supernatural.
(Ben) Do you think maybe, just maybe, the numbers were exagerated to make it more epic? Doesn't it also make sense that those ridiculous long ages are made up? It was common throughout the area.
(Dog) It's logical for me to think that since the lizards like dinosaurs lived longer and bigger, as well as other pre-flood animals, people did too. Before the flood people only lived to about 900 years old compared to Babylonian exaggeration myths saying they lived to 50,000. The Bible is clear that GOD intended for man AFTER the flood to only live to a max of about 120 years.
It's much easier for me to believe this than for me to look at a monkey skull and say maybe I came from this.
Bible Numbers
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While we are making crap up
Submitted By ben on 09/02/22
Ninnies
Let's discuss some bible math.
Supposedly 70 Jews go to Egypt (Gen 46:27 and Exodus 1:5) and in 400 years (430 according to Exodus 12:40) they number 2.5 million (600,000 men according to Exodus 12:37, 603550 according to Exodus 38:26, ). We could start with 75 if you want since that is what is says in Acts (Acts 7:24) but for consistancy let's stay with what we have now.
So what is the birth rate if they go from 70 to 2.5 million given a life expectancy of about 35 years? Be that as it may let's look at what it means when you have 2.5 million people walking out of a country. If they were 10 abreast then they would have made a line 250 miles long. How dos a group that large get that lost? It took them 40 years to make a 10 day trip.
After the exodus from Egypt (which was 2.5 million peoeple that left not a single trace of their passing) somehow they dropped in population because the archelogical evidence shows a population under David and Solomon of 75000. Funny how the population was 75K with a standing army of 1.3 million.
Do you think maybe, just maybe, the numbers were exagerated to make it more epic? Doesn't it also make sense that those ridiculous long ages are made up? It was common throughout the area.
» Reply to Comment(Ben says): "Supposedly 70 Jews go to Egypt (Gen 4
» Reply to Comment"Well HISTORICAL records of man only go back
"Well HISTORICAL records of man only go back 6,000 years and now
there are 6.5 billion people. and 100 years ago there were only about 1
billion people. So your numbers may be rounded accurate."
there are 6.5 billion people. and 100 years ago there were only about 1
billion people. So your numbers may be rounded accurate."
7000 year old writing: http://www.physorg.com/news73996305.html
"I've wondered about this as well. Without searching for the
answers, others may have went seperate ways as people do in their
nature. This would explain the being of tribes all over the world, just
as Abraham was promised by GOD that his seed would be the father of
many nations. As for them being lost in the wilderness, again we don't
know how many were left, but GOD may have led them into confusion as
that is the way it seems to be written. It's kind of like how did
congress just lose 350 billion dollars? We don't know but they just
did."
answers, others may have went seperate ways as people do in their
nature. This would explain the being of tribes all over the world, just
as Abraham was promised by GOD that his seed would be the father of
many nations. As for them being lost in the wilderness, again we don't
know how many were left, but GOD may have led them into confusion as
that is the way it seems to be written. It's kind of like how did
congress just lose 350 billion dollars? We don't know but they just
did."
That is an incredible leap of faith, you are assuming that literally millions of people left the group and this wasn't even mentioned in the bible? Why not? It mentions every other excrutiating detail of the trip, but conveniently left out the part where 80% of the people abandoned the procession and made new kingdoms which were never mentioned again.
"It's logical for me to think that since the lizards like
dinosaurs lived longer and bigger, as well as other pre-flood animals,
people did too. Before the flood people only lived to about 900 years
old compared to Babylonian exaggeration myths saying they lived to
50,000. The Bible is clear that GOD intended for man AFTER the flood to
only live to a max of about 120 years."
dinosaurs lived longer and bigger, as well as other pre-flood animals,
people did too. Before the flood people only lived to about 900 years
old compared to Babylonian exaggeration myths saying they lived to
50,000. The Bible is clear that GOD intended for man AFTER the flood to
only live to a max of about 120 years."
Dinosaurs were nor lizards, once again, please learn some taxonomy. And again, the largest animal to have ever lived lives today, the Blue Whale, yet you continue to ignore that inconvenient little fact. Secondly, there is no evidence to suggest that people lived longer in ancient times, and a lot of evidence against it. In ancient Greece and Egypt (Pre- "flood" civilizations) people at around age 25 were called "ancients." Not to mention how ancient people were tiny in comparison to modern day humans. For instance, the average height of an ancient mesopotamian was about 5 feet. (actually making the Ark smaller, since the cubit is relative lol) So tell me, where do 900 year old people fit into this?
» Reply to CommentThe 7,000 year old writing has no date on it. They
The supposed 7,000 year old writing has no date on it. They themselves say it "may be" that old. There's no hard proof. Dinosaur means "terrible lizard." Look it up. The blue whale lives in the sea. Who knows what lived before, like the megaladon shark. Sharks don't get as big as they used to. Land animals aren't as big. The pre-flood people were wiped out. Some of the Neanderthals are believed to be pre-flood people or people that lived directly after since I've heard that they may have been stronger and fully human. You believe the dinosaurs lived between 65 and 300 million years ago. There should be a lot more fossils of them if they lived that many years. That's over 200 million years of time.
» Reply to Comment"The supposed 7,000 year old writing has no d
"The supposed 7,000 year old writing has no date on it."
Ah, so the authors need to put a little date on the bottom of everything? How limited your thinking is.
"blue whale lives in the sea."
The megalodon shark could reach lengths of about 60 feet. The blue whale may exceed 100 feet. Look it up.
"Dinosaur means "terrible lizard.""
It was classified by a creationist who did not have a good understanding of the true morphology of the dinosaur. Lizards have several key differences in their skeletons which seperate them from lizards.
"You believe the dinosaurs lived between 65 and 300 million years ago.
There should be a lot more fossils of them if they lived that many
years. That's over 200 million years of time."
There should be a lot more fossils of them if they lived that many
years. That's over 200 million years of time."
We have literally thousands of dinosaurs of hundreds of species with new ones being discovered every year. Your inability to see beyond your little bubble of ignorance is astounding. The fact that any were fossilized is amazing, and we should be thankful we have them. It takes very particular conditions to produce a fossil, and they are rarely met. I have an idea, if you think that fossils can be made rapidly, why dont you create an experiment to prove it? Oh yeah, because its impossible, and creationism is wrong, a tool used to control people and their money.
» Reply to Comment(Joe) Ah, so the authors need to put a little date
(Joe) Ah, so the authors need to put a little date on the bottom of everything? How limited your thinking is.
(Dog) No. I’m just saying there’s no proof. How accepting you are only if it fits your beleif.
The megalodon shark could reach lengths of about 60 feet. The blue whale may exceed 100 feet. Look it up.
(Dog) How come sharks don’t get as big now? We don’t see them that big. There was probably a lot of big sharks before the flood.
"Dinosaur means "terrible lizard." It was classified by a creationist who did not have a good understanding of the true morphology of the dinosaur. Lizards have several key differences in their skeletons which seperate them from lizards.
(Dog) Then why do evolutionist still call them dinosaurs? Why don’t we find bigger tigers like there was or sloths and turtles and all kinds of creatures?
(DOG) "You believe the dinosaurs lived between 65 and 300 million years ago.
There should be a lot more fossils of them if they lived that many
years. That's over 200 million years of time."
(Joe) We have literally thousands of dinosaurs of hundreds of species with new ones being discovered every year.
(DOG) That would make sense for a young earth.
(Joe) Your inability to see beyond your little bubble of ignorance is astounding.
(DOG) Don’t pretend you’re not biased. Remember that time you lied to that guy and said that Hovind’s DVDs were $100?
(JOE) The fact that any were fossilized is amazing, and we should be thankful we have them.
(Dog) Yes.
(Joe) It takes very particular conditions to produce a fossil, and they are rarely met. I have an idea, if you think that fossils can be made rapidly, why dont you create an experiment to prove it?
(Dog) Jaime Guiterrez found human hands in cretaceous rock (http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody else found a fossilized crayon (http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
(Joe) Oh yeah, because its impossible, and creationism is wrong, a tool used to control people and their money.
(Dog) Which party wants to raise taxes all the time? Yours. God asks for ten percent. Most people pay a lot more than that in taxes.
(Dog) No. I’m just saying there’s no proof. How accepting you are only if it fits your beleif.
The megalodon shark could reach lengths of about 60 feet. The blue whale may exceed 100 feet. Look it up.
(Dog) How come sharks don’t get as big now? We don’t see them that big. There was probably a lot of big sharks before the flood.
"Dinosaur means "terrible lizard." It was classified by a creationist who did not have a good understanding of the true morphology of the dinosaur. Lizards have several key differences in their skeletons which seperate them from lizards.
(Dog) Then why do evolutionist still call them dinosaurs? Why don’t we find bigger tigers like there was or sloths and turtles and all kinds of creatures?
(DOG) "You believe the dinosaurs lived between 65 and 300 million years ago.
There should be a lot more fossils of them if they lived that many
years. That's over 200 million years of time."
(Joe) We have literally thousands of dinosaurs of hundreds of species with new ones being discovered every year.
(DOG) That would make sense for a young earth.
(Joe) Your inability to see beyond your little bubble of ignorance is astounding.
(DOG) Don’t pretend you’re not biased. Remember that time you lied to that guy and said that Hovind’s DVDs were $100?
(JOE) The fact that any were fossilized is amazing, and we should be thankful we have them.
(Dog) Yes.
(Joe) It takes very particular conditions to produce a fossil, and they are rarely met. I have an idea, if you think that fossils can be made rapidly, why dont you create an experiment to prove it?
(Dog) Jaime Guiterrez found human hands in cretaceous rock (http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody else found a fossilized crayon (http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
(Joe) Oh yeah, because its impossible, and creationism is wrong, a tool used to control people and their money.
(Dog) Which party wants to raise taxes all the time? Yours. God asks for ten percent. Most people pay a lot more than that in taxes.
» Reply to Comment(Dog) How come sharks don’t get as big
(Dog) How come sharks don’t get as big now? We don’t see them that big.
There was probably a lot of big sharks before the flood.
There was probably a lot of big sharks before the flood.
Actually, we do see rather lrge sharks now, the megalodon was indeed very large, but other sharks of the time period were smaller than todays. Think about it, we dont see giant reptiles anymore, because the environment changed and they are no longer selected for anymore, we had a period of giant mammals after that, but after the ice age, many of them went extinct, smaller animals obviously won out of bigger ones in many cases, but we still have many large creatures alive today. (elephants, whales, etc.)
(DOG) That would make sense for a young earth.
So let me get this straight, when you didnt think we had enough fossils, that was evidence of a young earth, then when i told you we had thousands, you said THAT was evidence for a young earth?? Do you just put any random fact in there and pray that it makes enough sense for it not to be criticized?
(DOG) Don’t pretend you’re not biased. Remember that time you lied to that guy and said that Hovind’s DVDs were $100?
It wasnt a lie, i was mistaken, and i apologized, you really need to stop, its getting obnoxious.
(Dog) Jaime Guiterrez found human hands in cretaceous rock
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody
else found a fossilized crayon
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody
else found a fossilized crayon
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
The first link claimed that the Icthyasoaur was a "marine dinosaur" when it was not a dinosaur at all. Their lack of basic understanding of taxonomy and morphology proves that they are completetly inept at honest research. Besides, notice how they never sent the fossils in for peer review? Notice how there is no scientific paper written about them? If this were a genuine find, the finder would be a millionaire and instantly famous for his discovery. But no, the fossils appear long enough for a picture to be taken, out of focus with poor lighting, then they disappear. If they have the fossils, submit them!
» Reply to CommentActually, we do see rather lrge sharks now, the me
(Joe) Actually, we do see rather lrge sharks now, the megalodon was indeed very large, but other sharks of the time period were smaller than todays.
(Dog) The great white dwarfs megalodon. Wiki says they got over 49 feet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon).
Think about it, we dont see giant reptiles anymore, because the environment changed and they are no longer selected for anymore,
(Dog) The environment changing fits the Bible.
we had a period of giant mammals after that, but after the ice age, many of them went extinct, smaller animals obviously won out of bigger ones in many cases, but we still have many large creatures alive today. (elephants, whales, etc.)
(Dog) Mammoths have been found with tropical food in there teeth and stomachs proving they didn�t live in ice. They were also much bigger than elephants today. Bigger elephants make harder pray so how is getting smaller a benefit? Any way the mammoth fits the Bible also. Many mammoths are found frozen standing up, because they were frozen quickly by the flood.
(Joe) So let me get this straight, when you didnt think we had enough fossils, that was evidence of a young earth, then when i told you we had thousands, you said THAT was evidence for a young earth?? Do you just put any random fact in there and pray that it makes enough sense for it not to be criticized?
(Dog) I'm saying if dinosaurs lived for over 200 million years there should be trillions times trillions of dinosaur fossils especially since we found unfossilized stretchy T-Rex tendon.
(Joe) It wasnt a lie, i was mistaken, and i apologized, you really need to stop, its getting obnoxious.
(Dog) How do I know your not lying again? This bothers me because your always calling Hovind a liar, and you got caught in a ridiculous lie.
(Dog) Jaime Guiterrez found human hands in cretaceous rock
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody
else found a fossilized crayon
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
(Joe) The first link claimed that the Icthyasoaur was a "marine dinosaur" when it was not a dinosaur at all.
(Dog) They call it a marine lizard. Evolutionists call dinosaurs dinosaurs, which means terrible lizard.
(Joe) Their lack of basic understanding of taxonomy and morphology proves that they are completetly inept at honest research. Besides, notice how they never sent the fossils in for peer review?
(Dog) Please don't bring up honesty again after the lie you told.
(Joe) Notice how there is no scientific paper written about them? If this were a genuine find, the finder would be a millionaire and instantly famous for his discovery. But no, the fossils appear long enough for a picture to be taken, out of focus with poor lighting, then they disappear. If they have the fossils, submit them!
(Dog) Here's an opposing view of the fossilized hands. They say they're really turtle legs. See how they try to cover them up? We're not idiots; we know what human hands look like. It doesn't take a grad student. http://paleo.cc/fossils/hands.htm
(Dog) The great white dwarfs megalodon. Wiki says they got over 49 feet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon).
Think about it, we dont see giant reptiles anymore, because the environment changed and they are no longer selected for anymore,
(Dog) The environment changing fits the Bible.
we had a period of giant mammals after that, but after the ice age, many of them went extinct, smaller animals obviously won out of bigger ones in many cases, but we still have many large creatures alive today. (elephants, whales, etc.)
(Dog) Mammoths have been found with tropical food in there teeth and stomachs proving they didn�t live in ice. They were also much bigger than elephants today. Bigger elephants make harder pray so how is getting smaller a benefit? Any way the mammoth fits the Bible also. Many mammoths are found frozen standing up, because they were frozen quickly by the flood.
(Joe) So let me get this straight, when you didnt think we had enough fossils, that was evidence of a young earth, then when i told you we had thousands, you said THAT was evidence for a young earth?? Do you just put any random fact in there and pray that it makes enough sense for it not to be criticized?
(Dog) I'm saying if dinosaurs lived for over 200 million years there should be trillions times trillions of dinosaur fossils especially since we found unfossilized stretchy T-Rex tendon.
(Joe) It wasnt a lie, i was mistaken, and i apologized, you really need to stop, its getting obnoxious.
(Dog) How do I know your not lying again? This bothers me because your always calling Hovind a liar, and you got caught in a ridiculous lie.
(Dog) Jaime Guiterrez found human hands in cretaceous rock
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/hand.jpg). Somebody
else found a fossilized crayon
(http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/fossils/crayon.jpg).
(Joe) The first link claimed that the Icthyasoaur was a "marine dinosaur" when it was not a dinosaur at all.
(Dog) They call it a marine lizard. Evolutionists call dinosaurs dinosaurs, which means terrible lizard.
(Joe) Their lack of basic understanding of taxonomy and morphology proves that they are completetly inept at honest research. Besides, notice how they never sent the fossils in for peer review?
(Dog) Please don't bring up honesty again after the lie you told.
(Joe) Notice how there is no scientific paper written about them? If this were a genuine find, the finder would be a millionaire and instantly famous for his discovery. But no, the fossils appear long enough for a picture to be taken, out of focus with poor lighting, then they disappear. If they have the fossils, submit them!
(Dog) Here's an opposing view of the fossilized hands. They say they're really turtle legs. See how they try to cover them up? We're not idiots; we know what human hands look like. It doesn't take a grad student. http://paleo.cc/fossils/hands.htm
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Stupid??? As Christians we have been wandering around for almost 2000 years and we are no closer to Jordan today then we were in Christs time. Think we may be missing something? (Dont quote me on this one Ben I admit Im adlibbing.)