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I don't believe Hovind would have voted Ron Paul in 2008. He w

Submitted By zcallear on 08/02/08

I don't believe Hovind would have voted Ron Paul in 2008. He would be voting for Huckabee most likely. Ron Paul believes abortion should be legal, something Hovind is adamantly opposed to. Mike Huckabee is a Bible-believing Christian, and is a Southern Baptist (similar to the beliefs of Hovind).

I believe the webmaster should leave his/her politics regarding Ron Paul off this site, considering Ron Paul doesn't represent effectively the cause of freeing Kent Hovind.

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Andrew (hetrulycomes)

4 hours - 271v

Posted 2008/02/11 - 10:30 GMT

I think a link to the source of this claim must be given.......

If it is realy so it will one more reason for the world to claim christianity to be hypocrisy. So CSE must be very careful about this subject. I hope they will do what is right...

I think christians shouldn't have deeds with politics at all. Politics are always unconstant and often change their views by pressing of lust to reign.

Aubrey (admin)

2 weeks - 18,842v

Posted 2008/02/23 - 4:03 GMT

Andrew:

Thanks for participating in the discussion!
I certainly agree that CSE must be very careful. Being completley unaffiliated with CSE however, I feel it is appropriate for FreeHovind to provide a link to information about Ron Paul.

I do recall a CSE video in which Hovind directly replied to the "Christians shouldn't be involved in politics" argument with the answer "Of course they should!", and then went on to explain that as Christians it is our duty to further the kingdom of God in every way we can.

Hovind pointed out that the reason we have such an abominable government in our country is that we the people don't do anything about it, and gave the example of television - in that if Christians had become more involved in it early on it would certainly be far different from what it is today.

I fully understand how degenerated our government is, and that absent of a miracle from God America is rapidly headed for the "dustbin of history", but that is exactly why I support Ron Paul.

The biblical, constitutional, and logical mesage that Ron Paul promotes is practically unheard of in our modern political world, and is the perfect way to wake people up about how far our once great republic of America has backslidden.

I believe the only way we will see a real change in America is through a revival in it's citizens, and that is why I am so interested in helping to distribute the powerfully awakening messages provided by people like Kent Hovind and Ron Paul.

II Chronicles 7:14:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Andrew (hetrulycomes)

4 hours - 271v

Posted 2008/04/14 - 13:39 GMT

I'm not against being involved into the nations life, but the world's ways we shall not use struggle for the truth. For example, we can't kill to defense citizens if evil Hitler would come to destroy them. Christian is that very soldier who fights against the cause of the evil, but not against the evil's victims. When we love then God is inside us and then we win.

But when we go voting we share the world's rulers battle. I hope you understand me.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,054v

Posted 2011/07/18 - 23:45 GMT

"The biblical, constitutional,"

those are mutually exclusive terms you're throwing out there admin.

you want freedom of religion? then you cannot claim you're position is "biblical"

Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Deuteronomy 13:7-12

"and is the perfect way to wake people up about how far our once great republic of America has backslidden"

rly?

America still have the largest military in the whole world.

America is still engaged with most large scale active conflicts in the world.

america still has one of the largest economies in the world.

the Dollar is still the world currency.

you're not on the backfoot by a long shot.

"distribute the powerfully awakening messages provided by people like Kent Hovind"

Kent hovind message will only hinder america's return to greatness. why? because non of the leadign research (or any research for that matter) into biology, biochemistry or sustainable energy has anything to do with creationism.

i'll however offer you an alternative "powerfull awakaning message".

Howard bloom.

now that i have that out of the way.

since you are not affiliated with CSE minestries. i fully support you're initiatie to spread and direct people to your political views using the social media you posses. The OP has a point, in the not seeign eye to eye, but he his suggestion that you shouldn't use this to direct people to Ron Paul does not fly.

zcallear

22 minutes - 45v

Posted 2008/02/20 - 8:12 GMT

The source of which claim? If you mean that Ron Paul is not on the pro-life side, then http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm . That's a list of most of the things he's said or done related to the issue. He says he's personally against abortion, but doesn't want the United States government to step in and make it illegal in all states.

If you mean that Kent Hovind would be for the national government prohibiting abortion, I can't give you a source. He is definately very adamently pro-life. He's mentioned it more than once (in his seminars, in his CSE classes, etc.), although I'm in no mood to find the exact video and timestamp for you.

If you mean that Kent Hovind is Baptist, once again, just watch his videos. He mentions it (maybe only in the CSE classes, but I think also in the seminars). It's also listed as such on his [biased] Wikipedia article.

Aubrey (admin)

2 weeks - 18,842v

Posted 2008/02/23 - 4:09 GMT

Zcallear:

As you mentioned 3 distinct topics in your original post, I will attempt to answer each individually.

1) "the webmaster should leave his/her politics regarding Ron Paul off this site":

As previously stated above, I believe the message promoted by Ron Paul is complimentary to that of Hovind, and benificial to humanity.

As with all the sites I manage, my mission for FreeHovind is to help spread what I firmly believe to be truth, with the intention of furthering the kingdom of God by freely providing people with awakening and empowering information.

Furthermore, I believe that Ron Paul does "represent effectively the cause of freeing Kent Hovind", as one of Ron Paul's stated objectivs it to "abolish the IRS and replace it with nothing".

2) "Ron Paul believes abortion should be legal" (not):

Using logic this absurd, I believe that you would find just as much fault with George Washington (he didn't support ammending the constitution on the abortion issue either) as with Ron Paul.

In the Presidential Candidates Comparison Matrix, I put abortion as the FIRST, MOST IMPORTANT issue in the comparison, and in fact haven't even had a chance yet to fill in a couple of the less important fields on pro death candidates. As Ron Paul says, "there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected".

Ron Paul is completley pro life, but unlike Huckabee, Ron Paul understands that abortion is a completley basic criminal issue which can be dealt with at the local level.

There have been over 10,000 proposed ammendments to the constitution, nearly all have failed, and at best constitutional ammendments take a significant amount of time. Ron Paul is the prime sponsor of HR 300, a practical, direct approach which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life.

3) "He {Hovind} would be voting for Huckabee most likely":

Although I don't presume to speak for Hovind, I respect him far too highly to assume that he would support a big government globalist puppet like Huckabee who doesn't even believe God knew what he was talking about when he wrote Genesis - especially when running against a proven Christian like Ron Paul.

Sincerely,

-Aubrey

zcallear

22 minutes - 45v

Posted 2008/02/25 - 7:52 GMT

If a state decided to make murder (in a general sense) legal, would you support the national government stepping in? I would. The same applies currently for abortion, which I assume you believe is murder. Was freeing the slaves a bad idea (and yes, I know Hovind has spoken negatively of the Civil War, mocking Lincoln)?

I never said you should leave politics out, nor that Hovind is against dealing in politics. I just believe that even though Ron Paul says he is a Christian, he is an enemy of Christianity. A candidate paying lip-service to Christianity doesn't make them Christian. Look at Obama, Clinton, and McCain.

Regarding Huckabee, he also wants to do away with the national income tax. He's a supporter of FairTax (the national sales tax). This issue with Huckabee is really pretty moot anyway, considering since I posted my initial post, it has become clear that Huckabee has no chance to be the Republican nominee.

Regarding my alleged absurdity, and supposing that I find fault with George Washington for not supporting national laws about abortion: For one, abortion wasn't nearly as big of an issue (it just didn't happen anywhere near as much) at the time of George Washington. Secondly, how can you even pretend to know how George Washington would vote on such an issue?

Ronald K Allard (drronnyallard)

1 hour - 65v

Posted 2008/04/13 - 3:58 GMT

Ron Paul isn't pushing pro or anti abortion, rather he's doing the same thing that Hovind supports: noninvolvment of the Federal Government in anything they shouldn't be involved with. They should only do their job which is DEFENSE and PUNISHMENT OF LAW BREAKERS. The abortion issues should be taken up by the states individually. Personally, IT IS a child at conception! If the baby isn't a human being, what kind of being is it?!

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,054v

Posted 2011/07/18 - 23:50 GMT

"If the baby isn't a human being, what kind of being is it?!"

By that logic the seeds in a pine cone are all pine trees.

do you see the fault in that?

wauft

0 second ago - 0v

Posted 2011/07/18 - 0:17 GMT

Zcallear, im afraid you are completely incorrect. Ron Paul does not want to legalize abortion in fact he fights against it very hard. He even reintroduced the Sanctity of Life Act. Ron Paul is a Christian and a baptist, however he doesn't over emphasize that like some other candidates do... this might be from back in 08 but now that Ron Paul is back in the ring again i went searching for Ronpaul/KentHovind stuff. Also Kent hovind metioned him in a letter from jail specifically mentioning him.

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